Entropy, chemical potential, temperature

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The discussion focuses on the relationship between entropy, temperature, and chemical potential in thermodynamic systems, specifically defined by the function S(U,N,V). Temperature is expressed as 1/T = ∂S/∂U and chemical potential as μ = ∂S/∂N. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding partial derivatives in thermodynamics, clarifying that U, V, and N are independent variables in the entropy representation, while S, V, and N are independent in the energy representation. The participants agree that mixing these representations can lead to confusion.

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  • Understanding of thermodynamic functions, specifically entropy S(U,N,V)
  • Familiarity with partial derivatives and their application in thermodynamics
  • Knowledge of the concepts of temperature and chemical potential
  • Basic grasp of thermodynamic representations (entropy vs. energy)
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  • Study the implications of partial derivatives in thermodynamic equations
  • Explore the differences between entropy representation and energy representation
  • Investigate the role of chemical potential in thermodynamic systems
  • Learn about the implications of independent variables in thermodynamic functions
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For a thermodynamic system there exists a function called entropy S(U,N,V) etc.
We then define for instance temperature as:
1/T = ∂S/∂U
μ = ∂S/∂N
etc.
When taking these partial it is understood that we only take the derivative of S wrt the explicit dependece on U,N etc. right? Because couldn't U carry an N dependence? I mean it does not for me make physical sense that the energy of the system should not be related to the number of particles in it. Actually it seems also a bit weird that there should be an explicit U dependence. Does this come from the fact that we are given the mean value of the internal energy of the system?
 
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aaaa202 said:
When taking these partial it is understood that we only take the derivative of S wrt the explicit dependece on U,N etc. right?

Yes, that is the definition of a partial derivative as opposed, e.g. to a total derivative.
 
aaaa202 said:
For a thermodynamic system there exists a function called entropy S(U,N,V) etc.
We then define for instance temperature as:
1/T = ∂S/∂U
μ = ∂S/∂N
etc.
When taking these partial it is understood that we only take the derivative of S wrt the explicit dependece on U,N etc. right? Because couldn't U carry an N dependence? I mean it does not for me make physical sense that the energy of the system should not be related to the number of particles in it. Actually it seems also a bit weird that there should be an explicit U dependence. Does this come from the fact that we are given the mean value of the internal energy of the system?
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In the entropy representation U,V,N are independent variables. On the other hand in the energy representation S,V,N are independent variables. One should not mix the two representations in the same time.
 

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