Equality of distribution for random varibles

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The discussion revolves around the properties of random variables, specifically focusing on the equality of distributions when combining random variables. The context includes concepts from probability theory, particularly involving convolution and properties of Poisson processes.

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  • Participants explore whether the equality of distributions for two random variables implies the same for their sums with a third variable. They reference the convolution formula and the stationary increment property of Poisson processes. Questions arise regarding the implications of variance and the nature of the random variables involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants examining the validity of assumptions related to the properties of random variables. Some guidance is offered regarding the application of the stationary increment property, while others question the reasoning behind certain conclusions drawn in the context of the Poisson process.

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There is a focus on the specific properties of Poisson processes and the implications of variance in the context of random variables. Participants are navigating through potential misconceptions regarding the application of distribution properties.

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If 2 random variables X, and Y have the same distribution, does that mean that for another random variables Z, X + Z and Y + Z also have the same distribution?

From looking at the convolution formula, the answer should be yes, because the convolution of random variables depends only on the distribution of the 2 variables being added.

However, if we consider the Poisson process N(t), then the stationary increment property says that N(5) - N(4) has the same distribution as N(1).

Now consider the random variable (N(4) - N(5)) - N(1). If the above claim is true then this has the same distribution as N(1) - N(1), which has variance 0, i.e. Var((N(4) - N(5)) - N(1)) = 0. This would seem to imply that the count of random Poisson events between time 4 and 5 must always be exactly the same as between time 0 and 1 and there is actually no randomness at all, which can't possibly be true.
 
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logarithmic said:
If 2 random variables X, and Y have the same distribution, does that mean that for another random variables Z, X + Z and Y + Z also have the same distribution?

From looking at the convolution formula, the answer should be yes, because the convolution of random variables depends only on the distribution of the 2 variables being added.

However, if we consider the Poisson process N(t), then the stationary increment property says that N(5) - N(4) has the same distribution as N(1).

Now consider the random variable (N(4) - N(5)) - N(1)

But that isn't of the form N(r) - N(s).
 
But it equals N(1) - N(1) which is in the form N(r) - N(s).

What if we wrote it like this:

1. Clearly Var(N(1) - N(1)) = 0.
2. Now N(5) - N(4) has the same distribution as N(1) by the stationary increments property.
3. Thus (N(5) - N(4)) - N(1) has the same distribution as N(1) - N(1) (by the claim that if X has the same distribution as Y, then X - Z has the same distribution as Y - Z)
4. So, in particular, they have the same variance, i.e. Var((N(5) - N(4)) - N(1)) = Var(N(1) - N(1)) = 0.
 
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It has been a long time since I looked at this stuff, but I think your problem is that

N(5)-N(4) is itself not a member of your Poisson process N(t) and you can't claim the stationary increment property to (N(5)-N(4)) - N(1).
 
Hmm, I don't think I did that. The only time I used stationarity was at 2) where I said N(5) - N(4) has the same distribution as N(1). Which is OK. I didn't use stationarity to get (N(5) - N(4)) - N(1) having the same distribution as N(1) - N(1).
 

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