Equation for the Internal Resistance of a Battery

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The discussion centers on the equation for calculating the internal resistance of a battery based on the voltage drop observed when a resistor is connected across it. Participants explore the derivation of this equation and its application in electrical engineering contexts.

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  • One participant presents an equation for internal resistance based on open circuit voltage and load circuit voltage, seeking clarification on its derivation.
  • Another participant suggests that the equation can be derived by considering the series resistance and manipulating the relationships between current, voltage, and resistance.
  • Several participants express confusion regarding the explanation and derivation process, indicating a lack of clarity in the mathematical steps involved.
  • A participant compares the situation to a potential divider circuit, suggesting that the principles are similar and can be understood through basic algebra.
  • Another participant outlines the steps to derive the internal resistance, emphasizing the relationship between total resistance, current, and voltage across the load resistor.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity of the derivation process. While some provide explanations and steps, others express confusion, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the understanding of the equation's derivation.

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Some participants reference algebraic manipulations and relationships between variables without fully resolving the assumptions or steps needed to clarify the derivation of the internal resistance equation.

MrNewton
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Hello,

i am currently working on a project where i have to calculate the internal resistance of a battery based on the voltage drop caused by placing a resistor over the battery. I am an EE, and i understand how i can calculate the IR by schematic, but i found this equation:

((Open circuit voltage / load circuit voltage) -1) * R [1]

So the Open circuit voltage (OCV) is the voltage of the battery when nothing is connected to it. The load circuit voltage (LCV) is the voltage on the battery when a resistor (R) is placed.

So let's say OCV = 3.2V
LCD = 2.8V
R = 100 Ohm

So UR = 2.8V
IR = UR/R = 2.8/100 = 0.028A
Ur = OCV-UR = 0.4V
r = Ur/I = 0.4/0.028 = 14.2857 Ohms

If you do this by the first equation you get:
((3.2/2.8)-1)*100 = 14.2857
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MY QUESTION: How did the get the first equation [1]? I can't simplify my equations and get the first equation.
 
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It's a series resistance, so LCV = R*I = R*OCV/(R+r). Solve for r and you get equation 1.
 
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What? I don't get it. Sorry :D
 
MrNewton said:
What? I don't get it. Sorry :D
It's the same as for a simple Potential Divider circuit. The ratio of the voltages across the Load and Internal resistors is the same as the ratio of the resistors. The total voltage is the emf (no load) voltage.
It boils down to solving two simultaneous equations. A bit of lower school Algebra.
 
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What is unclear?

The total resistance is R+r. This leads to a current of I=OCV/(R+r). The voltage at the outside resistor is then LCV =R*I=OCV/(R+r).
From there it's elementary algebra to get r=... Start by multiplying both sides of equation by (R+r).

Nearly the same steps as you did with numbers, just with the more general variables.
 
UR = LCV
i = LCV/R
Ur=OCV-UR
r=Ur/i = (OCV-UR)/i = (OCV-LCV)/i
r=(OCV-LCV)/(LCV/R) = (OCV/LCV -1)R
 

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