Equation relating a function and its inverse

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether it is possible to solve for a function, f(x), given an equation that relates it to its inverse, f-1(x). The specific equations under consideration include f(x) + f-1(x) = x^2 and f(x) + f-1(x) = g(x). Participants explore various mathematical approaches, including differentiation and the implications of function properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants clarify the meaning of the inverse function, with one defining it as f(f-1(x)) = x.
  • One participant suggests differentiating the equation to relate the derivatives of the function and its inverse, proposing that f'(x) + f-1'(x) = 2x.
  • Another participant notes that the equation derived from differentiation does not eliminate f-1(x) and questions whether there is a missing insight.
  • Concerns are raised about the definition of f + f-1, particularly regarding the domains of the functions and their inverses, suggesting that they may not have a common domain.
  • One participant argues that a continuous solution cannot exist on the entire real line, as a continuous invertible function must be monotonic, which contradicts the properties of x^2.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of restricting the domain to a finite interval, concluding that contradictions arise when considering the symmetry of the graphs of f and f-1.
  • Further exploration of half-infinite intervals leads to similar contradictions, with participants suggesting that finding examples of f and f-1 that satisfy the equation may be challenging.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints, with some agreeing on the impossibility of a continuous solution across certain domains, while others explore different intervals and conditions. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the nature of the functions and their inverses.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of the functions and their inverses, as well as the unresolved nature of the mathematical steps involved in differentiating the equations.

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so here's the question: if you have some equation relating a function, f(x), and its inverse, f-1(x), can you solve for the function?

for example, solve for f(x):

f(x)+f-1(x)=x^2

how about:

f(x)+f-1(x)=g(x)

my math teacher (AP calc) was stumped on this one... any thoughts?
 
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By inverse, do you mean

f -1(x) = 1 / f(x)

or that

if f(x) = y, then f -1(y) = x?
 
by inverse i mean f(f-1(x))=x... e.g. ln(e^x)=x
 
What if you differentiated the equation? Can you relate the derivative of the function and its inverse? (hint)
 
Mute said:
What if you differentiated the equation? Can you relate the derivative of the function and its inverse? (hint)

I suppose you could differentiate both sides. Then you would get:

f'(x)+f-1'(x)=2x

f'(x)+1/(f'(f-1(x)))=2x

but this equation still does not get rid of the f-1(x)... do you see something I don't?
 
pmqable said:
I suppose you could differentiate both sides. Then you would get:

f'(x)+f-1'(x)=2x

f'(x)+1/(f'(f-1(x)))=2x

but this equation still does not get rid of the f-1(x)... do you see something I don't?

The way the equation is written on the wikipedia page somewhat obscures the point:

$$\frac{df^{-1}(x)}{dx} = \frac{1}{\frac{df(x)}{dx}}$$

(where the inverse exists)
 
your question is a little strange, since f + f^-1 is only defined where both f and f^-1 are defined. but the domain of f^-1 equals the range of f, so they may not have any common domain at all.

but let's say they do have a common domain interval, e.g. the whole real line.

if you want a continuous solution there cannot be any.

i.e. a continuous invertible function on the line is monotone, say increasing. but then also its inverse is increasing, hence also their sum,

but x^2 is not increasing. so there do not exist any continuous, much less differentiable, f and f^-1 defined on all of R satisfying your equation.
 
now let's take a finite interval, say [0,1]. then either f(0) = 0 and f(1) = 1 and f is increasing or else f(0) = 1 and f(1) = 0 and f is decreasing. let's assume increasing.

then both f and f^-1 are non negative, and their sum equals x^2, hence both have values everywhere less than or equal to x^2.

this is also impossible, since the graphs of f and f^-1 are symmetrical about the line y=x.

Thus if f has values less than x^2, then f^-1 has values larger than x^2, contradiction.
 
now let's take a half infinite interval like [a,infinity). then f(a) = a and also f^-1(a) = a, so their sum is 2a, not a^2, unless a=0 or 2. if a=0 i think we already did it above, if a = 2, then f^-1(2) = 2, and both f and f^-1 are increasing so again the graphs are both above the line y=x a contradiction.you might try to think of any examples at all of f and f^-1 where their sum is a polynomial function of x.or maybe you could look at examples of functions f and f^-1 with different domains, but where f+f^-1 = x^2, on some interval common to their domains. that would be harder to study.
 
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