Equations for instantaneous displacement of a particle

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The discussion revolves around deriving mathematical functions for velocity, acceleration, and pressure based on a given expression for instantaneous displacement of a particle described by the function x = sin(ωt + θ). The context involves concepts from kinematics and calculus, particularly focusing on the relationships between displacement, velocity, and time in the context of pendular motion.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the differentiation of the displacement function to find velocity and question the correct application of calculus principles, including the chain rule. There is also discussion about the distinction between average and instantaneous velocity.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing insights into the differentiation process and clarifying misunderstandings about calculus terminology. Some participants express uncertainty about their mathematical skills while others offer corrections and guidance on the proper steps to take.

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There is a focus on ensuring the correct application of calculus, particularly in relation to instantaneous versus average quantities. Participants are encouraged to clarify their understanding of trigonometric functions and their derivatives.

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Homework Statement


For each expression of displacement (x) below, write down the mathematical functions for velocity (v), acceleration (a), and pressure (Pa). Assume a maximum amplitude (A) of displacement = 1. Units are not required. Hint: Think about the phase relationships of pendular motion. You can express your answers by using a different trigonometric function or by simply changing the phase of the given function.

If the instantaneous displacement of particle x can be described by the function x = sin(ωt + θ), then write down the mathematical functions for v, a, and Pa.

v =

a =

Pa =

The Attempt at a Solution


I really don't have much of an idea of where to begin. I think it has something to do with a time domain waveform, but a nudge in the right direction would really help!
 
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What, in complete generality, is the relationship between displacement, velocity and time?
 
v = d/t

Simple enough or are you looking for something else?
 
AJDangles said:
v = d/t

Simple enough or are you looking for something else?
No, that equation only gives you average velocity over a time period t. Here we are concerned with instantaneous velocity.
 
haruspex said:
No, that equation only gives you average velocity over a time period t. Here we are concerned with instantaneous velocity.

v = delta X / delta T
 
would the first answer therefore be, v = (sin (wt +θ)) / ΔT?

edit:

i mean, v = (sin (wt +θ)) / dt?

because we're talking the instan velocity therefore derivative and the slope of the tangent
 
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AJDangles said:
would the first answer therefore be, v = (sin (wt +θ)) / ΔT?

edit:

i mean, v = (sin (wt +θ)) / dt?

because we're talking the instan velocity therefore derivative and the slope of the tangent
You're heading in the right direction, but how do you differentiate sin (wt +θ) with respect to t?
 
I'm really rusty on my calculus so this could be ugly but here goes...

dv = d (sin(wt + θ)) / dt
dv * dt = d (sinwt + sinθ)
dv * dt = d*sin*wt + d sinθ
dv = (d*sin*wt + dsinθ) / dt
dv = sinw + dsinθ

do i have to integrate or use a trig identity here?
 
AJDangles said:
I'm really rusty on my calculus so this could be ugly but here goes...
You were right about that.
AJDangles said:
dv = d (sin(wt + θ)) / dt
No, v = dx/dt, not dv=dx/dt. The quantities starting with a d are infinitesimals, meaning they will be taken to be arbitrarily close to zero. dx/dt is a ratio of two of these, so need not be tending to zero. So dv=dx/dt makes no sense. The left side is sure to go to zero, the right side is not.
Next, it gains nothing to multiply out by dt. The left hand side, v, is now what is wanted. Your challenge is to do something with dx/dt, i.e. with d (sin(wt + θ)) / dt.
Do you know the derivative of the sine function? Do you remember the chain rule?
 
  • #10
Wooooow it's all coming back. That rush of knowledge. Ok thanks.

I think it got it?

= cos (wt + θ) * d (wt+θ)/dt
= cos (wt + θ) * w
= cosw (wt + θ)
v = cos(w)^2 (t) + cos(w)θ
 
  • #11
and then

a = d (cos (w) (wt + θ)) / dt
a = cos (w) (w + 0)
a = w cos (w)
 
  • #12
AJDangles said:
Wooooow it's all coming back. That rush of knowledge. Ok thanks.

I think it got it?

= cos (wt + θ) * d (wt+θ)/dt
= cos (wt + θ) * w
= cosw (wt + θ)
you were doing well until that last step. Try putting all appropriate parentheses in each equation.
 
  • #13
For the pressure, would the last equation i have to use to derive be
p (t) = (mv)/(t * area)?
 
  • #14
haruspex said:
you were doing well until that last step. Try putting all appropriate parentheses in each equation.
cos (w) (wt + θ) ?
 
  • #15
AJDangles said:
cos (w) (wt + θ) ?
No, that's already wrong. Go back to your post 10 and put all appropriate parentheses in each equation.
 
  • #16
Ok...

v = d/dt (sin (wt + θ))
v = cos (wt + θ) * d/dt (wt + θ) via chain rule.
v = (w * d/dt (t) * d/dt (θ)) * cos (wt + θ)
v = (1w + 0) * cos (wt + θ)
v = w cos (wt + θ) ?

Sorry if my math is rusty; so cosw is different than w cos? Is cosw assumed to be cos (w)?
 
  • #17
AJDangles said:
Ok...

v = d/dt (sin (wt + θ))
v = cos (wt + θ) * d/dt (wt + θ) via chain rule.
v = (w * d/dt (t) * d/dt (θ)) * cos (wt + θ)
v = (1w + 0) * cos (wt + θ)
v = w cos (wt + θ) ?

Sorry if my math is rusty; so cosw is different than w cos? Is cosw assumed to be cos (w)?
Yes, much better. Yes, cos is a function. a cos(b) is a completely different beast from cos(ab).
 

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