Equations of Motion Homework: Lagrange & Newton's 2nd Law

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the equations of motion using Lagrange's method and Newton's second law. The user has derived equations for two masses but is struggling to align them, particularly with the rolling mass's forces and the overall system dynamics. They express concern about potentially neglecting important forces, such as gravity and normal forces, which could affect the accuracy of their equations. The user seeks clarification on whether to include the momentum of the rolling mass in their calculations for mass M, as their current approach does not yield consistent results. The thread highlights the complexities of applying both Lagrangian and Newtonian frameworks to the problem.
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Homework Statement


Please see the attached picture for the problem description. Now, I have a solution using the Lagrange method, (it should coincide with Newton's second law, I believe?) I just have a hard time getting my equations of motion to match.

Homework Equations


∑Fext - M dv/dt = 0


The Attempt at a Solution


For mass Mo I have
K(x2 - x1) = Mo*x1'' x (where mass Mo moves a distance x1 and mass M moves a distance x2) which agrees with the Lagrange solution

I have trouble matching the remaining equations. For the rolling mass m, I have the external forces as -mg (y-dir) and FN (y'-dir) where x' and y' are at an angle θ depending on the location of the rolling mass.

Then my equation of motion is -mg y + N y' = m[x'' x + (R-r)θ'' y' - (R-r)θ'2 x']

Now I realize that I need to organize everything into the x-y or x'-y' plane but when I do the solution doesn't match; do you see anything that I'm missing?

Finally for mass M

∑Fext = -mg y - K(x2 - x1) x
My professor typically neglects gravity and normal forces acting on carts, so I don't include them here. But I feel like I'm neglecting a force. Should I include the momentum of the rolling mass with the external forces acting on M? Because setting what I have = M*x2'' x doesn't match, and I feel like I'm over-simplifying the problem.

Thanks in advance
 

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