Equivalence of Completeness Notions in Logic

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The discussion centers on the equivalence of two definitions of completeness in logic regarding a theory Σ and a sentence A. One participant argues that the definitions are not equivalent, using the example of a unit set {P} to demonstrate that while certain derivations hold, neither A nor ¬A can be derived from {P}. Another participant clarifies that a theory must be closed under derivation, implying that if Σ is incomplete, it cannot satisfy both completeness conditions simultaneously. The conversation highlights the importance of consistency in theories and the implications of derivations in different logical systems. Ultimately, the participants conclude that the definitions of completeness are indeed not equivalent under the conditions discussed.
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Is it true that the following definitions of completeness are equivalent?
\mbox{For theory } \Sigma \mbox{ and for any sentence } A.

\mbox{ Either } \Sigma \vdash A \mbox{ or } \Sigma \vdash \lnot A
and
\mbox{ Either } A \in \Sigma \mbox{ or } (\lnot A) \in \Sigma.

(The second clearly implies the first.)
 
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Did you mean to include that Ʃ was maximally consistent? If not then let Ʃ be the unit set that contains only the sentence letter p. If it is granted that we can then derive q→p, we have a situation where
(1) Either q→p is derivable from Ʃ or ~(q→p) is derivable from Ʃ (because q→p is derivable)
but
(2) neither q→p nor ~(q→p) is a member of Ʃ

No?
 
No consistency is assumed.

I'm a bit unsure here.


We assume {P} derives/turnstile Q→P and show that (1) holds while (2) fails.

(Using the rules of inference my class uses at least)

{P} derives P, and
{~Q v P} derives Q → P.

So, (while skipping some steps)

either {P} derives ~Q or {P} derives P.
hence, {P} derives ~Q v P.
hence, {P} derives Q → P.

So, either {P} derives ~(Q → P) or {P} derives Q → P.
Neither of which are in {P}.

So they are not equivalent.

Is this what you mean? (Thanks for the help)
 
I think so. I was assuming that there was some way of deriving q→p from {p} without really saying what it was because systems can differ. I think what you did was show how you could get there in the system you are using.
 
There's a flaw though.

{P} does not satisfy (1). For example, neither {P} derives Q nor {P} derives ~Q. And we show that {P} doesn't satisfy (2) by example. I.e. {P} is incomplete.
 
A theory is a set of formulas closed under \vdash. So, trivially, \Sigma \vdash A and A \in \Sigma mean the same thing for any theory \Sigma.
 
I was reading documentation about the soundness and completeness of logic formal systems. Consider the following $$\vdash_S \phi$$ where ##S## is the proof-system making part the formal system and ##\phi## is a wff (well formed formula) of the formal language. Note the blank on left of the turnstile symbol ##\vdash_S##, as far as I can tell it actually represents the empty set. So what does it mean ? I guess it actually means ##\phi## is a theorem of the formal system, i.e. there is a...

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