Error injection using PC based modulator

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of error injection in a transport stream using a PC-based modulator, specifically focusing on the relationship between injected errors and the Bit Error Rate (BER) of the stream. Participants explore the implications of error handling and detection mechanisms in data transmission.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether injecting errors in the transport stream affects the BER, noting that while the BER remains unchanged, the transport stream error packet count increases.
  • Another participant suggests that corrupted packets are likely to be resent by the application, implying that error correction mechanisms may obscure the relationship between injected errors and BER.
  • A follow-up question seeks clarification on whether an increase in BER is possible given the observed behavior, asking for an explanation if no increment in BER occurs.
  • A further contribution posits that multiple methods exist for measuring BER and suggests that the protocol's error-detection and correction mechanisms could be influencing the observed effects on BER.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between error injection and BER, with no consensus reached on whether the injected errors should affect the BER or not. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the underlying causes of the observed behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the communication protocols involved and the potential influence of various error-detection and correction mechanisms on the measurements of BER.

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Injecting error in the transport stream using the pc based modulator whether will affect the BER of the stream. Because while my testing the BER is not even varying but Transport stream error packet count will increase. Any one could you please the above beghaviour.
 
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Hi Kirubanithi
It is a long time since my training and not only have I forgotten much but much has changed. Also I admit to some guesswork in what follows.

It sounds to me as though you are sending yourself some data, messing with the data stream, and watching the error rate at the receive end of the bearer.
I believe any packets which are found to be corrupted at receive will be resent under command of the application which wants the data.
The numbered packet will possibly have gone missing when it is blocked at X25 level (packet data protocol) by the X25 modems in the local concentrator, whose functions must always include a test of the crc (cyclic redundancy check) which is sent as part of the packet.

After all nobody is interested in corrupt data, and data corrupted (due to faulty cable for instance) can be prevented from uselessly loading a network by careful testing to see that only actual data is sent.

(sorry no snappy signature yet)

Anyway, that's what I think I would have said 20 years ago.
 
As per the above explanation is there any possibilities to increase in BER of the stream. Or if there is no increment in BER of the stream means could you please explain the cause.
 
Hi again Kirubanithi
If my notion above is correct, I would elaborate by mentioning that more than one means of measuring 'bit error rate' exists.
In the opinion of a high-level application sending pseudo-random code over a noisy packet link, the link will be slower but still noise-free up to some limit. This is an artifact of the protocol, and in fact is the whole reason for the packet protocol's existence.
So the error-detection/correction in a shell of the communications system beyond ken of your BER software may be responsible for the intriguing effect.
It's a suggestion, no more.
 
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