Establishing a definite integral is btw 12&24

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The problem involves establishing bounds for a definite integral of the inverse function f^(-1) based on given values and properties of the function f. The context includes understanding the relationship between a function and its inverse, as well as the implications of the derivative being negative.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the graphical interpretation of the integral and the significance of the points f(2)=7 and f(4)=1. There are attempts to identify key points on the graph of f^(-1) and to reason about the areas under the graph in relation to the integral's bounds.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various interpretations of the integral's bounds and the implications of the function's properties. Some guidance has been offered regarding the graphical representation and the relationship between the areas of rectangles and the integral, but no consensus has been reached on the final reasoning.

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There is a focus on the assumptions regarding the differentiability of f^(-1) and the behavior of f'(x) being less than zero. Participants are also considering the implications of these assumptions on the values of the integral.

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Homework Statement


Suppose f(2)=7, f(4)=1, and f'(x)< 0 for all x. Assuming f^(-1) is differentiable everywhere, establish that

12 < Integral from 1 to 7, of f^(-1)(x)dx < 24


Homework Equations


N/A


The Attempt at a Solution


I do not know where to begin... =/
 
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For this problem, you need to think about the graphical interpretation of an integral as the area under a graph. Note also that since f(2)=7, f^-1 (7) =2, and ditto for the other equation.

Don't get caught up with the 12 and 24. Think about what you would answer if I asked you what values the integral should be between.
 
Start with a graph of y = f-1(x) between 1 and 7. You know that f(2) = 7 and that f(4) = 1. Can you get some points on the graph of f-1? You also know that f'(x) < 0 for all x.
 
I made a sort of rectangle when I graphed. I have the points (1,2), (1,4), (7,4) and (7,2).
From this, i see that the area below 2 is 12, and the area below 4 is 24..
 
Good! You also know that f'(x) < 0, which means f^-1(x) decreases as x increases, and that means...
 
That means.. that f^-1 will eventually be 3. To the left of that point though, it will have to be less than 4, and to the right of that point, it will hve to be greater than 2. ANd... this is why f^-1 can't be equal to the areas of the rectangle that its in..?
 
Or is this last part i did wrong?
 
Your post isn't quite clear, but I think you got it. If you draw out the rectangle bounded by y=2, then you draw out the rectangle bounded by y=4, you'll see that the area under the graph has to be larger than the former and smaller than the latter. There's no way you can twist, turn, bend, or morph the graph so that the area under it is larger than 24 (the larger rectangle's area) or smaller than 12 (the smaller rectangle's area).
 
use the fact that if
m<f<M when a<x<b
then
m (b-a)&lt;\int_a^b f dx&lt;M(b-a)
along with some other basic facts
in particular find m and M so that
m<f^(-1)(x)<M when 1<x<7
 

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