Estimating Tin Amount in Closed Tin Can with Differentials

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves estimating the amount of tin in a closed tin can using differentials, with specific dimensions provided for the can's diameter and height, as well as the thickness of the tin.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of differentials to estimate surface area and volume, with attempts to relate these concepts through derivatives. Questions arise regarding the relationship between volume and area, and the interpretation of differentials as errors.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the layout of the tin can and the equations for surface area, but no consensus has been reached on the necessity of calculus in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the application of calculus and the formulas for the surface area of a cylinder, as well as the role of differentials in estimating errors versus calculating area.

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Homework Statement


Use differentials to estimate the amount of tin in a closed tin can with diameter 8 cm and height 12 cm if the tin is .04 cm thick.


Homework Equations


dz = (dz/dx) dx + (dz/dy) dy


The Attempt at a Solution


To find the area of the tin can we can see it as a rectangle. Since the diameter is given as 8cm, we can find the circumference 2(pi)r.
Surface Area (SA)=height(h) x circumference(C)
dSA=(dSA/dh) dh + (dSA/dC) dC
dh = (.04)(2) = dC
dSA=C(.08)+ h(.08)
With this I can find the error in finding the surface area, but I don't know how to figure out what the total surface area is.
 
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Oh actually if i use the equation V=(pi)r^2(h) I get the right answer...but am I just finding the max error in the calculated volume here? I understand that the derivative of volume=area, but in this equation doesn't dV=total differential=error? How could the value of the error also be the value of the area?
 
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but I don't know how to figure out what the total surface area is.
Try to layout the tin can as a map. That is, if you cut the edges and and layed everything flat. How would it look like?

Or lookup the equation for the surface area of a cylinder.

fk378 said:
Hm, is the derivative of volume=area?

No, deriative of something is how much one thing changes in respect to another.
 


It's just gone midnight, so I maybe misreading your post, but why is calculus necessary? Surely, with the correct formulae for the area of a cylinder, then you're sorted.

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