Evaluate the definite integral

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the definite integral from 0 to 18 of the function x/(9+4x)^(1/2). Participants are exploring methods for solving this integral, which involves techniques such as u-substitution and potentially trigonometric substitution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using u-substitution with u = (9+4x)^(1/2) and express confusion over the results, particularly regarding large numbers. Others suggest simplifying the expression with a different substitution and using trigonometric identities to eliminate the square root. There are questions about ensuring all variables are changed appropriately during substitution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with some participants sharing their progress and corrections regarding the limits of integration. There is a mix of approaches being considered, and while some guidance has been offered, no consensus on a single method has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of changing the limits of integration when performing substitutions, although there is also mention of an alternative approach that does not require this change. The original poster's confusion about the results indicates potential gaps in understanding the substitution process.

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Homework Statement


Evaluate the definite integral from 0 to 18.
∫[x/(9+4x)^1/2]dx

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The Attempt at a Solution


I know to use u-substitution and I set u = (9+4x)^1/2. I can't figure out where I'm messing up because I keep ending up with very large numbers which are incorrect.
 
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My first move would be to simplify the surd with x = 9u/4. Seeing the (1+u)-1/2 that results, I would then use a trig substitution for u. tan2 or sinh2 will eliminate the surd.
 
purdue2016 said:

Homework Statement


Evaluate the definite integral from 0 to 18.
∫[x/(9+4x)^1/2]dx

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I know to use u-substitution and I set u = (9+4x)^1/2. I can't figure out where I'm messing up because I keep ending up with very large numbers which are incorrect.
Your substitution should work. Show us what you did.

When you make your substitution, make sure that you change everything. You shouldn't have x's and dx's in your integral after the substitution.
 
I finally got it using the substitution I mentioned. I think I was screwing up because I didn't change the limits of integration for the new variable. Thanks for the help.
 
haruspex said:
My first move would be to simplify the surd with x = 9u/4. Seeing the (1+u)-1/2 that results, I would then use a trig substitution for u. tan2 or sinh2 will eliminate the surd.
If the radicand were the sum or difference of squares, I would take this approach, but in this case a much simpler approach will work.
 
purdue2016 said:
I finally got it using the substitution I mentioned. I think I was screwing up because I didn't change the limits of integration for the new variable. Thanks for the help.

You don't necessarily need to change the limits of integration. If, after you have your antiderivative (as a function of u), you can undo the substitution to get the equivalent form in terms of x. At that point just plug in the limits of integration.

Schematically it's like this:
$$ \int_a^b f(x) dx = \int_{x = a}^b g(u)du = G(u)\vert_{x = a}^b = F(x)\vert_{x = a}^b = F(b) - F(a)$$

If you decide not to change the limits of integration, it's helpful to note that they are values of x by adding "x = ..." in the lower limit.
 
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