Evaluation of a (parabolic) line integral with respect to arc length

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the line integral \[ \int_c yz\,ds\] where C is defined as a parabola with the equation \(z=y^2\) and \(x=1\) for the range \(0 \leq y \leq 2\). Participants are exploring the parameterization of the curve and the appropriate setup for the integral.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to parameterize the curve and substitute into the integral, initially proposing \(x(t) = t\), \(y(t) = 2t\), and \(z(t) = t^2\), which is later corrected to \(x(t) = 1\), \(y(t) = t\), and \(z(t) = t^2\). There is discussion about the correct form of the integrand and the use of integration by parts, with some participants questioning the necessity of that method for the integral at hand.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in correcting each other's parameterizations and integrands. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the setup of the integral, and some guidance has been offered regarding the correct form of the integrand. The discussion reflects an ongoing exploration of the problem without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

There is a hint from the teacher suggesting the use of integration by parts, which some participants are trying to understand in the context of their calculations. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their results and the implications of the teacher's hint.

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Homework Statement


Evaluate the line integral [tex]\[ \int_c yz\,ds.\][/tex]

where C is a parabola with z=y^2 , x=1 for 0<=y<=2

Homework Equations


A hint was given by the teacher to substitute p=t^2 , dp=(2t)dt and use integration by parts.

I also know from other line integrals with respect to arc length that:

ds=sqrt((dx/dt)^2 + (dy/dt)^2 + (dz/dt)^2)

The Attempt at a Solution



I think that from the information given, the beginning and end points are (1,0,0) to (1,2,4).

My first guess is:
x(t) = t
y(t) = 2t
z(t) = t^2
This will be when t goes from 0 to 2.

So after I have parameterized the curve, I would substitute the functions of t back into the integral to get:

int((2t)^3*sqrt(1^2+2^2+(2t)^2),t,0,2)

=8*int(t^3*sqrt(4t^2+5),t,0,2)

=12032/3

This doesn't look right to me though. Any help would be appreciated!
 
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Hi GelatinousFur! Welcome to PF! :smile:
GelatinousFur said:
C is a parabola with z=y^2 , x=1 for 0<=y<=2

My first guess is:
x(t) = t
y(t) = 2t
z(t) = t^2

No, x is constant

x(t) = 1 :wink:

(and your y and z don't fit each other)
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi GelatinousFur! Welcome to PF! :smile:No, x is constant

x(t) = 1 :wink:

(and your y and z don't fit each other)

Ah, I see. Thanks for the help (and the welcome)!

So then...

X(t) is constant, so x(t)=1
y(t) =t
z(t) = t^2

when t goes from 0 to 2.

The line integral would then become:

int(y^3,s) over the curve C, because z=y^2.

=int(t^3*sqrt(0^2+1^2+(2t)^2),t,0,2)

=int(t^3*2t,t,0,2)

=2*int(t^4,t,0,2)

=64/5

This answer feels a bit more correct but I still cannot see why the teacher gave us the hint to use integration by parts, as I didn't have to when I just performed that integral.
 


GelatinousFur said:
Ah, I see. Thanks for the help (and the welcome)!

So then...

X(t) is constant, so x(t)=1
y(t) =t
z(t) = t^2

when t goes from 0 to 2.

The line integral would then become:

int(y^3,s) over the curve C, because z=y^2.

=int(t^3*sqrt(0^2+1^2+(2t)^2),t,0,2)
Hi

in you integrand you have
[tex]t^3\sqrt{1+4t^2}[/tex]

I think you simplified away the one from the squareroot

GelatinousFur said:
=int(t^3*2t,t,0,2)

=2*int(t^4,t,0,2)

=64/5

This answer feels a bit more correct but I still cannot see why the teacher gave us the hint to use integration by parts, as I didn't have to when I just performed that integral.
 


lanedance said:
Hi

in you integrand you have
[tex]t^3\sqrt{1+4t^2}[/tex]

I think you simplified away the one from the squareroot

Thanks, you are correct.

The correct integral is:

int(t^3*sqrt(1+4*t^2),t,0,2)

So here's where I use integration by parts, but when I integrate sqrt(1+4*t^2) I have to go to an integral table.

I punched int(t^3*sqrt(1+4*t^2),t,0,2) into MATLAB and it spits this answer out:

-1/64/pi^(1/2)*(-3128/15*pi^(1/2)*17^(1/2)-8/15*pi^(1/2))

Is this the wrong answer? Looks a bit weird to me.
 

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