Examine the continuity of this absolute value function

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The discussion revolves around the continuity of the function y = (1 - |x|) / |1 - x|, particularly for the case when x < 0. Participants are analyzing the implications of absolute value expressions in the function's formulation.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the correct interpretation of absolute values in the function, questioning the signs used in the numerator and denominator for x < 0. There is a focus on understanding why certain expressions yield different results and how to correctly apply the properties of absolute values.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing clarifications and addressing misunderstandings. Some have offered guidance on how to approach the absolute value expressions, while others are still grappling with the implications of their reasoning.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the application of absolute value properties, particularly in the context of negative values of x. Participants are encouraged to clarify their expressions and reasoning to avoid misinterpretations.

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Homework Statement



y = 1-abs(x) / abs(1-x)

The Attempt at a Solution



For x < 0, abs(x) = -x

y = (1+x) / -(1-x)
= -(1+x)/(1-x)

I stopped here because this is the part I got wrong. For x < 0, my solutions manual got (1+x) / (1-x).
What did I do wrong?
 
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needingtoknow said:

Homework Statement



y = 1-abs(x) / abs(1-x)

The Attempt at a Solution



For x < 0, abs(x) = -x

y = (1+x) / -(1-x)
= -(1+x)/(1-x)

I stopped here because this is the part I got wrong. For x < 0, my solutions manual got (1+x) / (1-x).
What did I do wrong?

For ##x<0##, ##-x>0## so ##1-x>0## so ##|1-x|=1-x##. No minus sign needed in the denominator.
 
needingtoknow said:

Homework Statement



y = 1-abs(x) / abs(1-x)

The Attempt at a Solution



For x < 0, abs(x) = -x

y = (1+x) / -(1-x)
= -(1+x)/(1-x)

I stopped here because this is the part I got wrong. For x < 0, my solutions manual got (1+x) / (1-x).
What did I do wrong?

For your written function
y = 1 - \frac{|x|}{|1-x|}
you have ##y = 1 + x/(1-x) = 1/(1-x) ## for ##x < 0##.

On the other hand, if you really meant something different from what you wrote, namely,
y = \frac{1-|x|}{|1-x|}
then you would have ##y = (1+x)/(1-x) ## for ##x < 0##. Which function do you mean? Us parentheses for clarity, like this: y = (1-|x|)/|1-x|, or y = (1-abs(x))/ abs(1-x) if your keyboard does not have an "|" key.
 
It was the second one: y = (1-|x|)/|1-x|. So how did you get y=(1+x)/(1−x) for x<0?
 
needingtoknow said:
It was the second one: y = (1-|x|)/|1-x|. So how did you get y=(1+x)/(1−x) for x<0?

Didn't you read post #2?
 
Sorry I should have addressed your reply as well. So LCKurtz let me start off by saying what I understand from your reply.

"For x<0, −x>0 so 1−x>0 so |1−x|=1−x. No minus sign needed in the denominator."

Since -x > 0 can be written as x < 0, therefore -(1-x) > 0 can also be written as 1-x < 0. If this is true then can't this apply to any time we need to consider the negative case for an absolute value function. For the numerator, why can't this same logic apply?
 
needingtoknow said:
Sorry I should have addressed your reply as well. So LCKurtz let me start off by saying what I understand from your reply.



Since -x > 0 can be written as x < 0, therefore -(1-x) > 0 can also be written as 1-x < 0. If this is true then can't this apply to any time we need to consider the negative case for an absolute value function. For the numerator, why can't this same logic apply?

Have you forgotten that -(-x) = x and that for x < 0 we have |x| = -x?
 
LCKurtz said:
For ##x<0##, ##-x>0## so ##1-x>0## so ##|1-x|=1-x##. No minus sign needed in the denominator.

needingtoknow said:
Sorry I should have addressed your reply as well. So LCKurtz let me start off by saying what I understand from your reply.



Since -x > 0 can be written as x < 0, therefore -(1-x) > 0 can also be written as 1-x < 0. If this is true then can't this apply to any time we need to consider the negative case for an absolute value function. For the numerator, why can't this same logic apply?

I can't make any sense out of that reply. Why don't you just follow the steps I gave you? You start with ##x<0##. Multiply both sides by ##-1## so ##-x>0##. Since ##-x## is positive, adding ##1## to it is still positive, so ##1-x > 0##. The absolute value of a positive number is the number itself so ##|1-x| = 1-x##. You don't get ##-(1-x)##.
 
My mind must have been somewhere else when I was reading your first reply. It makes crystal clear sense. Thank you for your time.
 

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