Examples which satistfy f(x+y)=f(x) + f(y)

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter HappyN
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding two different continuous functions f: R -> R that satisfy the functional equation f(x+y) = f(x) + f(y) for all x, y in R. Participants explore examples, proofs, and the implications of continuity on the nature of such functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests f(x) = ax as a valid example and seeks another example.
  • Another participant claims that ax is the only answer, implying that different values of a can provide distinct examples.
  • A participant outlines a proof strategy to show that all continuous functions satisfying the equation must be of the form f(x) = ax, involving induction and properties of rational numbers.
  • Some participants note that while continuous functions satisfying the equation are linear, non-continuous functions also exist that satisfy the equation, with their graphs being dense in the plane.
  • There is a discussion about the use of the Newton quotient to argue for the existence of a derivative and its implications for the function's form.
  • Concerns are raised about the assertion of the existence of a derivative without proper justification, emphasizing the role of continuity in the argument.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that continuous functions satisfying the equation must be of the form f(x) = ax, but there is no consensus on the existence of other distinct examples beyond variations of this form. The discussion also highlights differing views on the implications of continuity and the existence of derivatives.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that without continuity, the assertion regarding the form of the function may not hold, and the existence of non-continuous functions satisfying the equation introduces additional complexity to the discussion.

HappyN
Messages
16
Reaction score
0
The question states:
Give two different examples of f:R->R such that f is continuous and satisfies f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y) for every x,y e R. Find all continuous functions f:R->R having this property. Justify your answer with a proof.

I came up with one example:
f(x)=ax
then f(x+y)=a(x+y)=ax+ay=f(x)+f(y)

however, I can't seem to think of another example, any hints?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
ax is the only answer, so maybe that makes it count double.
 
Your example is "general". Get two functions by taking a to be two different values! As lurflurf says, any continuous function satisfying f(x+ y)= f(x)+ f(y) must be of the form f(x)= ax so different example just have different values of a.

To prove that is straightforward but tedius. Here's an outline of how I would do it.

1) Prove, by induction, that f(nx)= nf(x) for all real numbers, x, and n any positive integer.

2) Use f((0+ n)x)= f(0x)+ f(nx) to show that f(0x)= 0= 0f(x).

3) Use f((n+(-n))x)= f(0)= 0 to show that f(-nx)= -f(nx) and so -nf(x) for any positive integer n.

3) Use f(nx)= nf(x) to show that f(n(1/n)y)= nf((1/n)y)= f(y) so f((1/n)y)= (1/n)f(y).

4) Use f(nx)= nf(x) to show that f((m/n)y)= mf((1/n)y)= (m/n)f(y) for any rational number m/n and any real number y.

5) Use continuity to show that f(rx)= rf(x) for any real numbers r and x and, taking x= 1, that f(r)= rf(1)= ar where a= f(1). (If r is any real number, there exist a sequence of rational numbers, \{r_n\}, converging to r. By continuity, f(rx)= f((\lim r_n)x)= \lim f(r_nx)= (\lim r_n) f(x).)

That means, of course, that the graph of a continuous function satisfying f(x+y)= f(x)+ f(y) is a straight line through the origin. There do, however, exist non-continuous functions satisfying that equation- and the graph of such a function is dense in the plane!
 
  • Informative
Likes   Reactions: Erasthemno
HallsofIvy said:
That means, of course, that the graph of a continuous function satisfying f(x+y)= f(x)+ f(y) is a straight line through the origin. There do, however, exist non-continuous functions satisfying that equation- and the graph of such a function is dense in the plane!

Only if you accept the axiom of choice! :biggrin:
 
HappyN said:
The question states:
Give two different examples of f:R->R such that f is continuous and satisfies f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y) for every x,y e R. Find all continuous functions f:R->R having this property. Justify your answer with a proof.

I came up with one example:
f(x)=ax
then f(x+y)=a(x+y)=ax+ay=f(x)+f(y)

however, I can't seem to think of another example, any hints?

try doing it by taking a Newton quotient.

f(x+h) -f(x)/h = f(h)/h so the Newton quotient is constant for all x.

So there is a derivative and it must be constant. Since f(0) = 2f(0) the function must be ax for some a.
 
lavinia said:
try doing it by taking a Newton quotient.

f(x+h) -f(x)/h = f(h)/h so the Newton quotient is constant for all x.

So there is a derivative and it must be constant. Since f(0) = 2f(0) the function must be ax for some a.
HOW do you assert "so there is a derivative"? There is a derivative if and only if \lim_{h\to 0} f(h)/h exists but how do you show that?
 
HallsofIvy said:
HOW do you assert "so there is a derivative"? There is a derivative if and only if \lim_{h\to 0} f(h)/h exists but how do you show that?

i wasn't asserting anything - just suggesting a line of argument.

I guess at some point you have to use continuity. look at expressions like f(h/n)/h/n = f(h)/h so the ratio is constant for rationals. Then use continuity.
The thing is that without continuity the assertion is false.
 
Last edited:
Thanks HallsofIvy, I managed to make it work from your outline :)
Wasn't sure about the Newton quotient though...
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
1K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
4K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 32 ·
2
Replies
32
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K