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Featured Exotic Bicycle Designs and Engineering

  1. Oct 23, 2018 #1

    jedishrfu

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    Every so often we get requests for engineering projects to work on. One common theme that I've seen is Kickstarter / Indiegogo campaigns for novelty bicycles to solve that last mile problem in urban transportation:

    The first time I saw the Kiffy I thought that was quite a cool design. Designed in France it answered the urban dwellers problem of getting places quickly without the hassle of a car and bringing home the groceries. However I think it is now defunct:



    Some of these others are interesting too:





    I especially liked the Kiffy because of the three wheel balanced design and the frontend luggage feature but it was just too pricey. I also liked the banking capability. I have a Dahon folder that's nice for 10 to 20 mile jaunts.

    Some other interesting transportation modes are the Trikke:



    https://www.trikke.com/

    It looks so easy, but I can tell you I had a lot of trouble in slight hills. I understood that former President Jimmy Carter and his wife would go riding on these. I had wished I got the motor assist. In truth it does give you an upper body workout.

    http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20150514-the-10-most-beautiful-bicycles-of-2015

    The one that caught my eye here was the half-bike, but I started to remind myself that I'm too old to do without a seat.

    There are still many other designs that I've seen and a book I got that's somewhat dated that I can't find on Amazon. However, I did find these:

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/1452101671

    https://www.amazon.com/History-Cycling-Fifty-Bikes-Velocipede/dp/1623361311

    https://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Definitive-Visual-History-DK/dp/1465443932

    If anyone has some interesting bike designs or ideas we can share them here.
     
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  3. Oct 23, 2018 #2

    jedishrfu

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    Here's a few more bikes:

    Clive Sinclair's design (he's the inventor of the SInclair ZX Spectrum micro computer in 1982 and many other things. This is his A-Bike design:



    and this is his older electric vehicle the SInclair C5:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5

    In many ways, he was ahead of his time and then others superseded him. There was movie on the rivalry he had with one of his brilliant engineers starring Martin Freeman as Chris Curry of Hobbit fame:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Men

    and the full movie:

     
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  4. Oct 23, 2018 #3

    jedishrfu

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    Engineers playing games on bicyclists from the Smarter Everyday YouTube channel:



    https://slate.com/technology/2015/0...the-physics-behind-a-bicycle-s-stability.html

    and the physics of bike design (may be a bit repetitious):

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-bicycle-problem-that-nearly-broke-mathematics/

    https://www.fastcompany.com/3062239/the-bicycle-is-still-a-scientific-mystery-heres-why

    https://www.citylab.com/design/2015...cles-balance-themselves/392690/#disqus_thread

    https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2016/02/the-still-mysterious-physics-of-riding-a-bike/471249/

    There is a much older article that I couldn't find yet where a researcher modified the bicycle fork in different ways to show how it affected stability. The key takeaway was it wasn't gyroscopic action that kept a bike stable.
     
  5. Oct 23, 2018 #4

    berkeman

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    Fun thread, thanks @jedishrfu :smile:

    I recently moved to the foothills near a Regional Park that is extremely hilly, and one of my new neighbors is an accomplished mountain biker who recently converted one of his old MTBs into an electric bike. It's pretty flexible in the way that you can freewheel the motor and pedal, or freewheel your pedals and let the motor do all the work, or use a combination of battery power and your leg power.

    It's pretty powerful, and he uses it to climb some of the steeper hills in the park. It's got enough power that he can lift the front wheel pretty easily and ride wheelies around the neighborhood. Fun stuff.

    I'm interested in maybe doing a similar conversion (now I wish I'd kept my old MTB instead of giving it away before the move), and maybe using it for commuting to work. My commute is about 25 miles each way, which wouldn't be a big deal on a road bike except for the climb at the end of the day to get up the hill to my house. Having the e-bike option might make it easier to commute more often without using a car (maybe in combination with Light Rail).

    Here is an e-bike with a similar size battery to my neighbor's MTB:

    https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forum..._xduro_dwnhll_Pro_emtb_downhill_bikeup_01.jpg

    s1200_Haibike_xduro_dwnhll_Pro_emtb_downhill_bikeup_01.jpg
     
  6. Oct 23, 2018 #5
    My neighbor operates a "peddy-cab", peddle cab or rickshaw. He transports passengers, usually to their cars after the bars let out, or after football games. It's his only business and he gets by. I would say that its design is a novelty. It has a seat for passengers and he sits low in front and peddles. So instead of looking for employment from others, one can be self-employed in this way.
     
  7. Oct 23, 2018 #6

    jedishrfu

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  8. Oct 23, 2018 #7

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  9. Oct 24, 2018 #8

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  10. Oct 24, 2018 #9

    jedishrfu

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    Here's the half-bike I mentioned earlier:

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  11. Oct 24, 2018 #10

    jedishrfu

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    Here's the Velomobile a kind of mini-cooper mini-cooper:

     
  12. Oct 24, 2018 #11

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  13. Oct 24, 2018 #12

    jedishrfu

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    This website has many innovative bike gadgets including bottle holders, openers, bike bags, bike holders, foldable helmets, turn signal gloves:

    https://www.brit.co/bike-gadgets/

    I don't know how well these things sell but they definitely bring out the DIY maker in me.

    I was also intrigued by the bike spike which can be used to track your bike wherever it may be.

    27-BikeSpike-645x430.jpg

    but it looks like its now a defunct product. (www.bikespike.com) However there must be similar ones out there or at least use a Tile to track the bike.
     
  14. Oct 24, 2018 #13

    jedishrfu

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    I had considered using this hub on my Dahon folder until I decided it was twice as expensive as my bike at the time:

    https://www.rohloff.de/en/products/speedhub/

    csm_rohloff_speedhub_schnittmodell_ohne-Grundplatte_b6fd2f26d3.png



    Its advantage over the usual derailer is that:
    - its protected from a lot of hazards and
    - it doesn't need tuning

    In contrast, my shimano derailer is a real pain to adjust on my cheap 7 speed bike. It seems it misses a speed so I ride in one gear and seldom change it up.



    Here's a link to Dahon for anyone who wants a cheap folder (okay cheap if you've just won mega-millions):

    https://usa.dahon.com/bikes-category/bikes/

    My bike was the Mariner (I liked dark blue) which is now an 8-speed.
    DAHON_2018_Mariner_D8_silver_unfolded_large-1.png
     
  15. Oct 24, 2018 #14

    jedishrfu

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    Another awesome drive train for a bike, mechanical engineering is alive and well in the bike world:



    and here's a novel Wheelchair design featuring two not one but two electric bikes attached in parallel with a speed of 20mph and range of 20 miles:

     
  16. Oct 24, 2018 #15
    The question I always have for exotic designs is, "What is the advantage of a given exotic design over more common designs, and is that advantage worth the extra expense and difficulties in maintenance and repair?"

    My family has been using basic Trek mountain bikes (Marlin and 3000 series) for the past 15 years, and these work well. Costs are modest, and maintenance and repairs are simple. I mountain bike over 2000 miles a year on local trails. My two sons mountain biked with me in their early teen years, and now their bikes are their main mode of transportation on a large urban college campus. It both helps keep them in good shape and avoids the expenses and parking hassles of cars.

    As friendly as their campus is to mountain bikes, many of the exotic designs above seem problematic. Some seem to propose safety issues, as being lower to the ground reduces visibility - both the cyclist's visibility and how easy it is for motorists to see the cyclist. Drivers on this bike-friendly campus are very much attuned to "normal" cyclists. Further, the designs with smaller diameter wheels will tend to have problems on some surfaces and negotiating curbs. Wider designs will have problems negotiating narrow pathways and maneuvering around parked cars, pedestrians, skateboarders, and all the other obstacles on campus. A number of the exotic designs above will not quickly fit into the standard campus bike racks, and campus parking and storage is going to be a challenge for exotic bike designs that do not.

    To me, the most meaningful design improvement is the added electric motor - because these increase speed and practical commuting distance while maintaining the familiar form factor and all the benefits of very mature bike design that is already optimized for most uses. To my eye, most of the exotic bike designs are different and more expensive simply for the sake of being different - most of the performance advantages are nowhere near justifying the extra expenses and practical difficulties using them and keeping them on the road.
     
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  17. Oct 24, 2018 #16

    jedishrfu

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    I agree with your assessments. Its important to retain what works and continue to promote it through new designs. Sometimes, great ideas come through small changes in a traditional design as in the phone going from operator to dial to push button to virtual push buttons and back to an agent app as the operator. What goes around comes around...

    However, new engineering ideas should not factor those concerns in initially as it can limit the engineering creativity where really innovative designs are dropped before they are fully explored. As impractical as some of these designs are they provide that creative platform and act as the germination for even better ideas.
     
  18. Oct 24, 2018 #17

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    Wow, that ceramic gear train is an amazing piece of engineering! Especially the different "shift channels" available on the rear gearset -- very innovative. :smile:
     
  19. Oct 24, 2018 #18

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  20. Oct 24, 2018 #19

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    Just remember what those Wright Bros. did before airplanes!

    Eugene,Oregon is a very bike friendly town and I have seen a lot of unusual designs.
    Last month I saw this go by when I was stopped at a gas station.
    Unfortunately, it took my while to get out my phone and get its camera going before I took this picture so it was pretty far away and therefore looks crappy:
    2018-09-29_18-15-00-0700.jpg
    It is a rolling bar powered by the two rows of people pedaling sitting the outside. The central area had what looked like a bar with a tender there.
    There was a separate driver at the front.
    It bigger than the red car!

    After googling:
    It turns out this is a local business: Pacific Pub Cycle.
    Seems they do tours of the many brewers in town.
    Would probably be good for tailgating at Ducks games.
    Her e is a better picture:
    6.jpg
    Seats p to 14, minimum of 8-10 peddlers needed.
    Looks like they have a sound system in the overhead too.
     
  21. Oct 24, 2018 #20

    OmCheeto

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    Eugene? How about Corvallis?
    I seem to recall that they had a whole festival devoted to exotic bikes.
    Though, that was 10 years ago.

    Is that still going on?
    hmmmm.... (google google google). Yup!

    https://www.davincidays.org/2018-race
     
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