Expanding the periodic potentials

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the representation of periodic potentials in the context of solid-state physics. Participants explore whether periodic potentials can be expressed in a specific summation form involving lattice vectors, examining the implications of periodicity and the mathematical validity of such representations.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially proposes that periodic potentials can be expressed as v(r)=Ʃf(r-G), summing over reciprocal lattice vectors G.
  • Another participant challenges this by stating that r-G does not make sense due to differing vector spaces and units.
  • A correction is made to suggest the form v(r)=Ʃf(r-R), summing over lattice vectors R, which is acknowledged by others.
  • It is noted that this representation resembles superposition, where the potential from each atom is considered in a coordinate system centered on the atom.
  • One participant questions whether the formula can be derived solely from the periodicity condition, independent of atomic considerations.
  • Another participant asserts that if the potential v is periodic, it can indeed be expressed in the proposed form, emphasizing its generality.
  • A request for proof or references supporting this assertion is made, indicating a desire for further validation.
  • One participant introduces the idea of a finite lattice with periodic boundary conditions, suggesting that the expression holds under specific conditions related to the function f(r).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the initial formulation involving reciprocal lattice vectors, with some agreeing on the corrected form involving lattice vectors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the derivation of the formula solely from periodicity without atomic considerations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between the potential and lattice vectors, as well as the dependence on periodicity conditions. The mathematical steps leading to the proposed forms are not fully resolved.

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Could one always write the periodic potentials in the form:
v(r)=Ʃf(r-G)
where the sum is over G (reciprocal lattice vectors)?
 
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r-G does not make sense. They are vectors in different spaces. They have different units.
 
Excuse me. I wrote wrong.
Can we write v(r)=Ʃf(r-R) where the sum is over lattice vectors R?
 
This looks like superposition. Adding the potentials of each atom, in the coordinate system with origin in the specific atom. Periodicity does not seem to be necessary for this.
f(r-R) will be the potential "produced" by the atom at location R.
 
Ok, thank you. But I like to know that could we earn this formula merely by having periodicity condition (without regarding atoms)?
 
yes, if the potential v is periodic, then it can be written in this form. This is the most general form of a function v(r) which fulfills v(r+R) = v(r) for all lattice vectors R (i.e., which is periodic).
 
cgk said:
yes, if the potential v is periodic, then it can be written in this form. This is the most general form of a function v(r) which fulfills v(r+R) = v(r) for all lattice vectors R (i.e., which is periodic).
Could you please prove it or give me a reference which has proved it?
 
Consider a large, finite lattice with periodic boundary conditions. Note that then v(r)=Ʃf(r-R) hold if you put in f(r) = v(r)/N_R itself, where N_R is the total number of lattice points. This also still holds if you set f(r) = v(r) if r is in one single unit cell, and 0 if not.
 

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