Experiences with Cherry-Picked Data: Three "Three Wise Monkeys

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The discussion centers around the ethical implications of cherry-picked data in scientific research, particularly in the context of a specific group and their practices. Participants explore experiences related to data collection, publication ethics, and the responsibilities of researchers in ensuring the integrity of their work.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Ethical considerations
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suspects that a research group cherry-picked data to support their claims while neglecting thorough data collection, leading to misalignment between data and conclusions.
  • Another participant questions the professional relationship of the original poster with the group and the head researcher, seeking clarification on their involvement.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the original poster may be overreacting and that the issues could stem from careless research rather than intentional misconduct, raising ethical questions about the responsibility of researchers.
  • Participants discuss the varying conventions of authorship responsibility in research papers, noting that some believe all authors should be accountable for the entire work, while others argue that only the head authors bear full responsibility.
  • A reference is made to the OPERA experiment involving superluminal neutrinos, highlighting that not all collaboration members signed the paper due to concerns over premature publication, which raises questions about accountability in scientific claims.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the original poster's concerns are justified or if they stem from paranoia. There is no consensus on the ethical responsibilities of researchers or the implications of the discussed practices.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of concrete evidence regarding the alleged cherry-picking of data and the ambiguity surrounding the responsibilities of authors in collaborative research settings.

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I saw this group many years back that I suspect was cherry picking their data.

The students would purposefully get as little data as possible. Enough to compare it to a model, but not enough to to negate the head researchers claims. When I would go and do the experiment more thoroughly, it was obvious the data and the claims were not aligned.

When I would discuss the research with the head of the group, they would say that any given student didn't know what they were doing. But they had no shortage of publications from any of their students.

There was one paper that had a systematic source of error in the experiment, which when accounted for, completely negates the original claims. The source of error eventually became main stream.

I have never confirmed my suspicions that the data was purposely cherry picked. I never confronted the head researcher , and will never do so because it would hurt my career too. By separating the data collection, analysis, and writing, I think they had a three "three wise monkeys" thing going on". Where no one can get accused of behaving unscrupulous. Each party can foist it off on a "mis communication" of the other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_wise_monkeys

I still don't know if this was all in my head and I'm being paranoid, or if there was something unscrupulous going on. Does anyone have similar experiences?
 
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What exactly is your (professional) relationship with "this group" and "the head researcher"?
 
I think you are being paranoid, it is more likely careless research. However, you do raise an ethical question. If you know the research is careless, should you hurt your career to correct it?

My initial thoughts are that
1) If you are not an author, then you don't have a responsibility, unless you know that it is grossly against the public interest (like Colin Powell announcing WMD). There's tons of wrong research that's published, even by well-meaning and excellent scientists such as Einstein.
2) If you are an author, I have seen two different conventions:
a) all authors are responsible for all parts of the paper
b) most authors are responsible only for parts of the paper, with only the head author(s) responsible for all parts of the paper
http://www.pnas.org/content/101/29/10495.full
http://www.nature.com/authors/policies/authorship.html

I believe I have seen (b) argued for because if (a) were enforced in a large collaboration, it would be almost impossible to publish the paper.

Just some quick and not necessarily correct thoughts, ethical questions are always important and worth thinking about.
 
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In the erroneous measurement of superluminal neutrinos, it is interesting that not all members of the collaboration signed the paper, as reported eg. by Ouellette http://news.discovery.com/space/opera-leaders-resign-after-no-confidence-vote-120404.htm.

"Indeed, several OPERA members refused to add their names to the original paper because they felt the announcement and submission of the results for publication were premature. Extraordinary claims, as the saying goes, require extraordinary evidence. "
 

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