Experimenting with Fire and Liquid Oxygen: My Fun Discovery

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around an experiment involving liquid nitrogen and its interaction with burning paper, with a focus on the potential production of liquid oxygen. Participants explore the feasibility of the experiment, the nature of the substances involved, and methods for measuring oxygen concentration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Experimental/applied, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment where burning paper towel is combined with liquid nitrogen, leading to the observation of small spurts of burning paper.
  • Another participant suggests that the observed phenomenon is due to the condensation of slightly concentrated oxygen on the liquid nitrogen, as oxygen condenses at a higher temperature than nitrogen.
  • A participant expresses interest in measuring the relative concentrations of oxygen and nitrogen, questioning how to collect and measure the oxygen.
  • It is proposed that measuring oxygen concentration is easier and less expensive than measuring nitrogen, with a suggestion to collect drops from the pan into an evacuated container for analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the basic observations of the experiment, but there is no consensus on the implications or the methods for measuring the concentrations of gases involved. Multiple views on the nature of the liquid produced and the experimental approach remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not clarify the specific conditions under which the experiment was conducted, nor does it address potential limitations in the measurement techniques suggested.

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Earlier, I had posted that I thought that I had made liquid oxygen. People seemed skeptical that it would work, but I did an experiment to prove the concept.

On a ring stand, I had some burning paper towel. I put some liquid nitrogen in a pie tin and allowed atmosphere to condense on the outside. Allowing this cold liquid to fall on the burning paper produced small spurts of burning paper. It was a bit difficult to keep the cold nitrogen vapors from blowing out the fire, but if the pie tin was held high enough, this was not an issue.

I know this isn't any ground-breaking science, but it sure was fun! Should I write a paper?
 
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Hi flatmaster. What you saw was slightly concentrated oxygen. Oxygen condenses preferentially on the liquid nitrogen pan you had, producing an oxygen rich liquid because oxygen condenses at a slightly higher temperature.
 
That's what I figured. It seems quite amazing that the cold nitrogen that's in there doesn't blow out the flame when it expands. I suppose the next step is to collect some and measure the relative concentrations. How can I do that?
 
Measuring oxygen concentration is much easier & less expensive than measuring nitrogen. See what's available to measure O2 concentration. Perhaps you could collect the drops off the pan by sucking them into an evacuated container.
 

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