Explaining Wavelength and Diffraction in Edexcel Physics A-level Q17 (b) i

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The discussion revolves around the explanation of wavelength and diffraction as presented in a specific question from the Edexcel Physics A-level exam. Participants seek clarity on the relationship between wavelength, gap size, and diffraction effects, particularly in the context of a graph related to detector output.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the reasoning behind the wavelength being approximately 4 cm, referencing the mark scheme and examiners' report.
  • One participant notes that many students failed to connect the shape of the graph to the concept of diffraction, despite its introduction in a previous part of the question.
  • Another participant questions the specific angle referred to in the mark scheme regarding diffraction and reflection, seeking clarification on how to visualize it.
  • A participant explains how to determine the angle of diffraction by drawing lines from the source through the slit to the detector.
  • There is a discussion about how, as the gap size decreases, the angle of diffraction increases, but the intensity of the waves diminishes due to reflection, leading to less effective diffraction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationship between gap size, angle of diffraction, and intensity of waves, but there is no consensus on the clarity of the initial explanations provided in the mark scheme or the understanding of these concepts among students.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion regarding the specific details of the mark scheme, particularly the implications of gap size on diffraction and the resulting detector output. There is also mention of a lack of understanding of the situation when the gap size is less than the wavelength.

Who May Find This Useful

Students preparing for the Edexcel Physics A-level exam, educators looking for insights into common student misunderstandings, and individuals interested in the concepts of wavelength and diffraction in physics.

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January%202015%20(IAL)%20QP%20-%20Unit%202%20Edexcel%20Physics%20A-level.pdf

http://pmt.physicsandmathstutor.com/download/Physics/A-level/Past-Papers/Edexcel-IAL/Unit-2/January 2015 (IAL) QP - Unit 2 Edexcel Physics A-level.pdf
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Q17, part (b) i
Please explain
This is what the markscheme and examiners report say
I need a good explanation mainly the reason of the wavelength being 4cm

Ms:
Wavelength approx. 4 cm (Accept specific value from 3.5 cm to 4 cm or a range)
Max 3 from:
No detector output when no gap because microwaves reflected by metal
Little/no detector output when gap very small because there is a large angle of diffraction but most of the wave (energy) is reflected (allow there is little diffraction)
Max output when gap approx. equal to wavelength because there is maximum diffraction
Output less/decreases for larger gaps because less/little diffraction when gap (much) larger than wavelength

Er:
The question asked for an explanation of the shape of the graph, but the link to detector output, the value of the y-axis, was often missed entirely. Others described the shape of the graph in great detail, point by point in some cases, but did not mention diffraction at all despite the introduction of the phenomenon in part (a). A surprising number did not even make a clear statement of their estimate of the wavelength. In terms of marks, most scored at least 1, but more than 3 were rarely awarded. The most common marks were for a statement of a reasonable wavelength and for linking maximum output to ‘maximum diffraction’ when the gap size equals the wavelength. The value of zero output for zero gap size was usually ignored. There is little understanding of the situation when the gap size is less than the wavelength and that the angle through which the wave is diffracted remains a maximum while the intensity decreases as the gap gets smaller than the wavelength. When discussing the distribution of values a mark was sometimes awarded for suggesting that it is uneven, but little else of merit was ever seen.
 

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Javeria said:
I need a good explanation mainly the reason of the wavelength being 4cm

What don't you understand about the explanation given?
 
Drakkith said:
What don't you understand about the explanation given?

The part in ms where it says, "there is a large angle of diffraction but most of the wave (energy) is reflected". What angle are they talking about?
 
Javeria said:
The part in ms where it says, "there is a large angle of diffraction but most of the wave (energy) is reflected". What angle are they talking about?

Look at the diagram in part b. Draw a line from the source running straight through the slit. Now draw a line from the slit to the detector. The angle is the angle between the two lines you just drew.
 
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Drakkith said:
Look at the diagram in part b. Draw a line from the source running straight through the slit. Now draw a line from the slit to the detector. The angle is the angle between the two lines you just drew.

Ohhh right right, thank youuu
So the point is that even though the angle of diffraction is increasing with smaller gap the intensity of the waves is reducing and most of the waves reflect which is why diffraction doesn't occur.
Is this concept clear?
 
Javeria said:
Ohhh right right, thank youuu
So the point is that even though the angle of diffraction is increasing with smaller gap the intensity of the waves is reducing and most of the waves reflect which is why diffraction doesn't occur.
Is this concept clear?

Pretty much.
 

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