Electron diffraction experiment puzzle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of electron diffraction, particularly in the context of firing electrons at a carbon target and the relationship between electron velocity, de Broglie wavelength, and diffraction patterns. Participants explore the implications of electron speed on diffraction and the necessity of high voltages in electron acceleration.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if the de Broglie wavelength of electrons is similar to the interatomic spacing, good diffraction should occur.
  • Others argue that slowing down electrons increases their de Broglie wavelength, which should still allow for good diffraction, raising questions about the necessity of high voltages for acceleration.
  • One participant mentions an equation suggesting that the radius of interference rings is inversely proportional to the square root of electron velocity, implying that faster electrons may produce more observable rings.
  • Another participant confirms that while slow electrons can diffract well, if they are too slow, the maxima may be too spread out to observe effectively.
  • A later reply questions whether to conceptualize the phenomenon as electron waves interfering after reflecting off Bragg planes in microcrystals rather than diffracting through interatomic gaps.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between electron speed, wavelength, and diffraction patterns. There is no consensus on the necessity of high voltages or the interpretation of diffraction versus interference in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference equations and concepts that may depend on specific definitions or assumptions about electron behavior and diffraction conditions. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

Glenn G
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In classical Physics wave theory (GCSE level) we talk about waves diffracting through a gap if the gap is similar size to (or smaller than) the wavelength of the waves.

When firing fast electrons at a carbon target (teltron tube A level type apparatus) is it sufficient to say that if the de Broglie wavelength of the electrons (h/momentum) is similar to the interatomic spacing ( so the 'gaps') then we get good diffraction?

If this interpretation is acceptable (ish) then my question is that if you slow down the electrons then their deBroglie wavelength increases (smaller momentum) but then they should still then show good diffraction because good diffraction occurs if wavelength is similar to (or larger than) the gap the 'wave' is passing through.

If indeed slow electrons do show good diffraction then why the need for high voltages to accelerate the electrons to such a high speed using large voltages?

Would love to have the kit myself to play with, unfortunately not!

Appreciate any thoughts.
Glenn.
 
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Glenn G said:
In classical Physics wave theory (GCSE level) we talk about waves diffracting through a gap if the gap is similar size to (or smaller than) the wavelength of the waves.

When firing fast electrons at a carbon target (teltron tube A level type apparatus) is it sufficient to say that if the de Broglie wavelength of the electrons (h/momentum) is similar to the interatomic spacing ( so the 'gaps') then we get good diffraction?

If this interpretation is acceptable (ish) then my question is that if you slow down the electrons then their deBroglie wavelength increases (smaller momentum) but then they should still then show good diffraction because good diffraction occurs if wavelength is similar to (or larger than) the gap the 'wave' is passing through.

If indeed slow electrons do show good diffraction then why the need for high voltages to accelerate the electrons to such a high speed using large voltages?

Would love to have the kit myself to play with, unfortunately not!

Appreciate any thoughts.
Glenn.

The smaller the wavelength, the better the resolution you will get for whatever purpose you need those electrons for. And example will be an electron microscope.

Zz.
 
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I found an equation that suggested that the radius of the interference rings follow 1/sqrt(electron velocity) so is it that with a higher voltage and faster electron you are more likely to be able to observe the rings on the fluorescent screen (and possibly more rings)?
G
 
Have you come across the equation that gives the separation between the maxima in terms of the wavelength?
 
Jilang said:
Have you come across the equation that gives the separation between the maxima in terms of the wavelength?
Hi Jilang, yes I have. That's where the D proportional to 1/sqrt(v) came from.
 
Then you have it sorted out. A slow electron will diffract well, but if it is too slow the maxima will be too spread out to observe.
 
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Hi ,
That's great thanks. So I should definitely think of at as the electron waves interfering after reflecting off Brag planes in the microcrystals rather than the electron waves diffracting through the inter atomic gaps?
G.
 
Yes.
 

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