Explaining Why Light Travels in Α'Β'Γ' in Relativity

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of light in the context of special relativity, particularly focusing on the paths light takes as observed from different reference frames. Participants explore concepts related to light emission, observer perspectives, and time dilation, with references to specific thought experiments and problems from physics textbooks.

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  • One participant describes a scenario with a lamp and a mirror, questioning why light follows a specific path (Α'Β'Γ') when observed from a moving reference frame.
  • Another participant argues that if light is emitted straight up in a stationary frame, it must also be emitted straight up in a moving frame, suggesting that this is necessary to uphold the first postulate of relativity.
  • A participant presents a question about time dilation and proper time intervals in a scenario involving a spacecraft traveling between stars, seeking clarification on the relationship between the time measured by an Earth observer and that measured by the traveler.
  • Another participant explains that from the spacecraft's frame, the stars are moving, which leads to both passages of the stars occurring at the same location in that frame.
  • A participant shares a problem involving twins traveling at different speeds to a distant planet, expressing confusion about calculating the age difference between them and whether it should be based on Earth time or their own time.
  • A later reply confirms that the age difference should be based on the time recorded by the twins themselves, not the time elapsed according to an Earth observer.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the concepts of light paths and time dilation, with some clarifications provided but no consensus reached on all points. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of fully explaining the light's path and the implications of time dilation in the twin paradox scenario.

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Some participants reference specific problems from textbooks, indicating a reliance on established physics concepts, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities or assumptions involved in the scenarios presented.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of physics, particularly those interested in special relativity, light behavior, and time dilation effects in different reference frames.

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In this image, we have a bar, on the lower mark we have placed a lamp and on the upper a mirror as shown. At some point the lamp goes on and the light reaches the mirror, it reflects and goes back from where it started. The events A = light emition and B = return at starting point are two events which take place in the same reference frame (Σ). For Σ the light traveled a distance equal to 2(AB) = 2d with speed C. So Δt = 2d/c

Observer Σ along with the bar, move with velocity v in relation to Σ' to the right. Therefore Σ' will notice that the light follows the track Α'Β'Γ' with velocity c...

Can somebody please explain to me, why the light follows the track Α'Β'Γ', I can't seem to "feel" the above image.

P.S. If you have any links that will help me with the understanding of special relativity or have some exercises (With solutions or answers) i would be very thankful.
 
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Can somebody please explain to me, why the light follows the track Α'Β'Γ', I can't seem to "feel" the above image.
If the emitter emits light straight up in our frame when it's at rest in our frame, then it must continue to emit light straight up in its new rest frame if it's given some constant velocity relative to our frame--if this wasn't true it would violate the first postulate of relativity, which says all the laws of physics should work the same in each inertial frame, so two observers in closed rooms moving at constant velocity relative to one another should get the same result if they each do the same experiment in their own room.

And of course, if the emitter continues to shoot light straight up in its rest frame when it's moving in our frame, that implies that in our frame the light will have to move diagonally (so it always remains directly above the emitter even as the emitter moves).
 
Hey,
Thanks for the answer it helped me understand some concepts of special relativity.
I have another question if you can help me :

Consider a spacecraft traveling with a speed v from one star to another. There
are two observers: one on the Earth and the other in the spacecraft . The observer
at rest on the Earth (and also assumed to be at rest with respect to the two stars)
measures the distance between the stars to be the proper length Lp. According to
this observer, the time interval required for the spacecraft to complete the voyage is
Δt = Lp/v. The passages of the two stars by the spacecraft occur at the same
position for the space traveler.
Thus, the space traveler measures the proper time
interval Δtp. Because of time dilation, the proper time interval is related to
the Earth-measured time interval by Δtp = Δt/γ. Because the space traveler
reaches the second star in the time Δtp, he or she concludes that the distance L
between the stars is L =vΔt/γ

It's from serway's book.
I am having a hard time understand the bolded text, I have a feeling it says that because the space traveler is inside the spacecraft but I cannot justify it exactly. If someone can clarify this one for me :)
 
Realize that from the spacecraft 's frame, it's the stars that are moving while the spacecraft remains at rest. So the passages of the stars occur at the same location in the spacecraft 's frame. (If spacecraft is located at x = 0 in the spacecraft frame, then both passages occur at location x = 0.)
 
Hey thanks a lot for that, it helped me.

The identical twins Speedo and Goslo join a migration
from the Earth to Planet X. It is 20.0 ly away in a reference
frame in which both planets are at rest. The twins, of the
same age, depart at the same time on different spacecraft .
Speedo’s craft travels steadily at 0.950c, and Goslo’s at
0.750c. Calculate the age difference between the twins
after Goslo’s spacecraft lands on Planet X. Which twin is
the older?
This is a problem from serway again.
We calculate the times goslo and speedo needs to land.

The problem now is their age difference. I have some thoughts about that but my head is currently close to blowing!
Is the age difference the time according to the Earth observer (or planet-x for that matter) that goslo needs to reach the planet minus the one that speedo needs minus the time that speedo is at rest on planet-X and goslo is travelling?

Thanks in advance

EDIT : Ah I finally got it thanks
 
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I'll bet you figured it out already, but they want the difference in the twins ages--which is the time that they record in their bodies and their wristwatches. Not the time elapsed according to an Earth observer.
 

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