Exponential functions - converting a linear equation

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around converting a linear equation derived from an unknown exponential function into a specific exponential form. Participants are exploring the relationship between logarithmic and exponential representations of the function.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to relate the logarithmic form of the function to its exponential counterpart, questioning how to equate coefficients and constants. There is also discussion about the base of the logarithm and its implications for solving the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to equate terms from the logarithmic equation to find values for parameters. Others are exploring similar problems and questioning whether the same principles apply, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the lack of specific values for certain variables, which adds complexity to their attempts to solve the problem. The base of the logarithm is clarified as 10, which is relevant to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Ok, so I have an unknown exponential function:
y1 = f1(t)

By measuring the values of t and yi, a linear connection is generated between Yi (=log (yi)) and t:

Yi = Ait + Bi.
A1 = -2.12
B1 = 1.96

Problem 1: Describe f1 in the following matter:
y1 = f1(t) = Ceλt


The Attempt at a Solution


I've been juggling with numbers and letters without ending up with anything reasonable.
Ok, let's ramble down some thoughts:
Adding log function to both sides of the functions gives

log(y1) = log t + log -2.12 + log 1.96 = log (C) + log (e) λt

And this is where it all ends. Any help out there? Would be much appreciated!
 
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LizzieL said:
Problem 1: Describe f1 in the following matter:
y1 = f1(t) = Ceλt


The Attempt at a Solution



Ok, let's ramble down some thoughts:
Adding log function to both sides of the functions gives

log(y1) = log t + log -2.12 + log 1.96 = log (C) + log (e) λt

The red part has no sense...

The logarithm of y is given: log(y)=At+B=-2.12 t + 1.96.

And -2.12 t + 1.96=log(e)(λt)+log(C)

What is the base of the logarithm?

Compare the terms. The constant terms have to be equal on both sides, and the coefficients of the variable t also have to be equal.

ehild
 
Oh, of course the logarithm of y is given! Why didn't I see that before. Thanks for your reply.

The base of the logarithm is 10, forgot to say.
But, how do I solve it from here? This is my first go at a problem like this, so any help is appreciated. How can I solve this when I have no values for neither t, C and λ? and the log gets in the way.
 
Welcome to PF, LizzieL! :smile:

ehild's equation must hold for any t.
This means that -2.12=log(e)(λ) and that 1.96=log(C).

For instance -2.12=log(e)(λ) can be rewritten as λ=-2.12/log(e).
 
Oh my, you guys really are angels sent from up above. Thanks a whole lot! Also for the welcome :smile:

So, I have a similar problem:

log(y2) = 1.85t + 1.56 = log(e)μ(t-a)

I cannot use the same principle as before, right? Or can I?

If I try again...

1.85 = log(e)μ
1.56 = -log(e)μa

Is this way off?
 
I'd say it is right on! :approve:
 

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