Exponential Inequality Proof: n! >or= (n^n)e^(1-n) for Positive Integers

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The problem involves proving the inequality n! ≥ (n^n)e^(1-n) for positive integers n. The original poster expresses confidence that this holds for all positive integers and begins an attempt at a proof by induction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster outlines a proof by induction, detailing the base case and induction step, but encounters difficulty in demonstrating a specific inequality involving e and the sequence (1+1/n)^n. Some participants suggest exploring the properties of the function (1+1/n)^n and its increasing nature, while others propose using power series expansions to aid in the proof.

Discussion Status

The discussion has evolved with participants providing feedback on the original poster's reasoning and suggesting alternative approaches. There is an acknowledgment of a mistake in the original proof attempt, which has since been corrected. Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights and confirming the rigor of the revised arguments.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the proof, including the use of derivatives and series expansions, while also considering the implications of using stronger results like Stirling's series. There is an ongoing exploration of assumptions related to the behavior of the functions involved.

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Homework Statement



Prove: n! >or= (n^n)e^(1-n)

Edit: For some positive integers n. (I'm very sure its all)


The Attempt at a Solution



Proof by Induction:

Base: n=1
1 >or= (1^1)e^0 = 1

Induction Step (n->n+1)

(n+1)! = (n+1)n! >= (n+1)(n^n)e^(1-n) = (n+1)(n^n)ee^(-n)

Now I want to show (n+1)(n^n)e is greater or equal to (n+1)^(n+1)

Taking natural log of both sides we get:

ln(n+1) + nln(n) + 1 >=? (n+1)ln(n+1)

nln(n) + 1 >=? nln(n+1)

ne^(1/n) >=? n+1

e >=? (1+1/n)^n

Here at the very end of my proof is where I get stuck. I know that e can be defined as the limit as n approaches infinity of (1+1/n)^n but I'm unsure how to show that its greater then the sequence at all specific values of n. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Ok, so you want to show (1+1/n)^n not only approaches e, but that it is increasing. You could do this by showing (1+1/x)^x is an increasing function for x>=1. I.e. show it's derivative is positive. The only way I've figured out so far is looking at power series expansions of log(1+x). It's not very elegant. Maybe you can think of something better.
 
Alright I think I solved the last part.

e >=? (1+1/n)^n

then

[ne^(1/n) - 1]/n >=? 0

which occurs iff

ne^(1/n)-1 >=? 0

e^(1/n) >=? 1/n

1/n >=? ln(1/n)

Since 1>= ln(1) and ln(1/n) becomes negative for higher n it holds that 1/n>=ln(1/n) and therefore e >= (1+1/n)^n. Thus our induction is finished.

Edit: I'll rewrite the proof for class to be more presentable, but I was wondering if this is totally rigorous?
 
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I have a nice solution, but it uses a more powerful result than your question :(
 
moo5003 said:
Alright I think I solved the last part.

e >=? (1+1/n)^n

then

[ne^(1/n) - 1]/n >=? 0

which occurs iff

ne^(1/n)-1 >=? 0

e^(1/n) >=? 1/n

1/n >=? ln(1/n)

Since 1>= ln(1) and ln(1/n) becomes negative for higher n it holds that 1/n>=ln(1/n) and therefore e >= (1+1/n)^n. Thus our induction is finished.

Edit: I'll rewrite the proof for class to be more presentable, but I was wondering if this is totally rigorous?

It's worse than not totally rigorous. It's wrong. The second line "[ne^(1/n) - 1]/n >=? 0" should be >=1.
 
Can you use the power series expansion of e^x at x=0? That's a nice way to show e^(1/n)>(1+1/n).
 
Alright, I fixed my mistake:

e >=? (1+1/n)^n

e^(1/n) >=? 1 + 1/n

n(e^(1/n)-1) >=? 1

But e^x >=? 1+x since if you take the derivative of either side:

e^x >= 1 Thus e^x has the the same tangent line at x=0 and a strictly greater slope for x > 0 and since e^x = x+1 at x=0 we know that e^x >= x+1 for x>0 (True for x<0 but not needed here).

Thus n(e^(1/n)-1) >= n(1/n + 1 - 1) = 1 >= 1. Thus the inequality holds.

BTW: Thanks for catching my mistake, I wouldn't have caught it in all likelihood.
 
I think that's it.
 
If you don't mind using the strong result, the inequality is trivial with Stirling's series.
 

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