Express e^x from 1 to 8 as a Riemann Sum. Please, check my work?

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The discussion revolves around expressing the integral of e^x from 1 to 8 as a limit of a Riemann Sum. Participants are exploring the correct formulation of the Riemann Sum and addressing issues related to notation and the inclusion of the function e^x.

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  • Participants are attempting to express the integral as a limit of a Riemann Sum, discussing the formulation of Δx and the expression for xi. Questions arise regarding the inclusion of the function e^x and the correct limits of summation.

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Some participants have provided guidance on correcting the notation and ensuring the function e^x is included in the Riemann Sum expression. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the limits and the interpretation of the summation index.

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There are discussions about the correct limits for Δx and the summation index, with participants questioning the assumptions made in the initial expressions. The conversation reflects a focus on clarity in mathematical notation and understanding the underlying concepts of Riemann Sums.

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Express e^x from 1 to 8 as a Riemann Sum. Please, check my work? :)

1. Express ∫1 to 8 of e^xdx as a limit of a Riemann Sum.

(Please ignore the __ behind the n's. The format is not kept without it...)

_____n
2. lim Ʃ f(xi)(Δx)dx
x→∞ i=1

Δx= (b-a)/n = 8-1/n = 7/n

xi= 1 + 7i/n

____n
lim Ʃ (1 + 7i/n)(7/n)
x→∞

It also says to keep it in terms of i and n. So... is that the answer then?
 
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Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
1. Express ∫1 to 8 of e^xdx as a limit of a Riemann Sum.

(Please ignore the __ behind the n's. The format is not kept without it...)

_____n
2. lim Ʃ f(xi)(Δx)dx
x→∞ i=1

Δx= (b-a)/n = 8-1/n = 7/n

xi= 1 + 7i/n

____n
lim Ʃ (1 + 7i/n)(7/n)
x→∞

It also says to keep it in terms of i and n. So... is that the answer then?
What happened to your function (e^x)? Surely it must appear in the answer. Also, what does \lim_{x\rightarrow\infty} refer to, when the rest of the expression doesn't depend on x? Also please indicate exactly what values of i you are summing over.
 


Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
1. Express ∫1 to 8 of e^xdx as a limit of a Riemann Sum.

. n
2. lim Ʃ f(xi)(Δx)dx
x→∞ i=1

Δx= (b-a)/n = 8-1/n = 7/n

xi= 1 + 7i/n

. n
lim Ʃ (1 + 7i/n)(7/n)
x→∞

It also says to keep it in terms of i and n. So... is that the answer then?

You cannot have Δx= 8-1/n, because this → 8 as n → ∞. However, you *can* have Δx= (8-1)/n, which → 0 as n → ∞. Do you see what a difference it makes to use parentheses?

Your expression ## \sum f(x_i)\, \Delta x \, dx ## makes no sense: the *integral* has dx in it, but the finite sum should not. Your final expression is also incorrect: the quantity
\sum_{i=1}^n \left( 1 + \frac{7i}{n} \right) \left( \frac{7}{n} \right) does not contain 'x' anywhere, so you cannot have ##\lim_{x \to \infty}## of it! Finally, your sum is a Riemann sum approximation to ##\int f(x) \,dx## for some function f(x); what f(x) is that? It certainly is not ##e^x##.
 


Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
1. Express ∫1 to 8 of e^xdx as a limit of a Riemann Sum.
You can use LaTeX to present integrals, limits, and sums in a nice way.

The above is
$$\int_1^8 e^x dx$$
The LaTeX for this is
\int_1^8 e^x dx (with $$ at the front and at the end).
Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
(Please ignore the __ behind the n's. The format is not kept without it...)

_____n
2. lim Ʃ f(xi)(Δx)dx
x→∞ i=1
The limit should be as n gets large, not x. Also, there should not be a factor of dx. In LaTeX, the correct limit is:
$$ \lim_{n \to \infty} \sum_{i = 1}^n f(x_i) Δx$$

My LaTeX script: \lim_{n \to \infty} \sum_{i = 1}^n f(x_i) Δx (again, with a pair of $ at beginning and end.
Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
Δx= (b-a)/n = 8-1/n = 7/n
You don't mean 8 - (1/n), so use parentheses: (8 - 1)/n.
Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
xi= 1 + 7i/n

____n
lim Ʃ (1 + 7i/n)(7/n)
x→∞

It also says to keep it in terms of i and n. So... is that the answer then?
 


Oh, right.

I left out the e^x! :/

So would it be:

_____n
lim Ʃ (e^(1 + 7i/n))(7/n)
n→∞ i=1


So let me try to say what is going on in words...
So by the Ʃ, we are adding together the area of all the rectangles inside of the curve.

Area of a rectangle= L*W. Every rectangle has a length of (e^(1 + (7i/n)) and a width of
(7/n).

The number of rectangles inside of the curve start from 1 and go until n.
n is a number that approaches infinity.

So we are saying that there are infinity rectangles inside of the curve and that each have a length of (e^(1 + 7i/n)) and a width of (7/n).
We need to add up all of the many tiny rectangles to approximate the area under the curve.

... i does mean the number rectangle you start out on, right...? Like if it's i=1, that means you are summing rectangle #1 all the way through rectangle #n?

If it's i=7, then you are summing rectangle #7 through rectangle #n?

Am I thinking about somthing incorrectly here? Thanks.
 


Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
Oh, right.

I left out the e^x! :/

So would it be:

_____n
lim Ʃ (e^(1 + 7i/n))(7/n)
n→∞ i=1
Yes, this looks right.
So let me try to say what is going on in words...
So by the Ʃ, we are adding together the area of all the rectangles inside of the curve.

Area of a rectangle= L*W. Every rectangle has a length of (e^(1 + (7i/n)) and a width of
(7/n).
Correct.

The number of rectangles inside of the curve start from 1 and go until n.
n is a number that approaches infinity. So we are saying that there are infinity rectangles inside of the curve and that each have a length of (e^(1 + 7i/n)) and a width of (7/n).
We need to add up all of the many tiny rectangles to approximate the area under the curve.
I would rephrase it slightly: the number of rectangles inside the curve is n. We number these rectangles from i=1 to i=n. As n grows, we are increasing the number of rectangles and decreasing their width. As n approaches infinity, the sum of the areas of the rectangles becomes as close as we like to the area under the curve.

The reason I rephrased it like that is that there aren't really infinitely many rectangles. If you had infinitely many of them, then each one would have zero width (and therefore zero area), so our attempt to calculate the area would result in infinity times zero, an undefined operation. Instead, we use finitely many, n rectangles, to compute an area A(n), and then we take the limit of A(n) as n approaches infinity.

... i does mean the number rectangle you start out on, right...? Like if it's i=1, that means you are summing rectangle #1 all the way through rectangle #n?
Yes.

If it's i=7, then you are summing rectangle #7 through rectangle #n?
Right, if the sum went from i = 7 to i = n, you would be adding the areas of rectangles #7 through #n. (This assumes that n >= 7.)

Am I thinking about somthing incorrectly here? Thanks.
No, I think you pretty much understand it correctly.
 

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