MHB Expressing a polynomial P(x)=(x−a)^2(x−b)^2+1 by two other polynomials

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The polynomial P(x) = (x-a)²(x-b)² + 1, where a and b are distinct integers, cannot be factored into two nonconstant polynomials with integer coefficients. The discussion emphasizes the need for a proof to establish this fact. Participants share different approaches to the problem, highlighting the complexity of polynomial factorization. The conversation includes expressions of appreciation for contributions and alternative solutions. Ultimately, the consensus is that the polynomial's structure prevents such a factorization.
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Let $a$ and $b$ be two integer numbers, $a \ne b$. Prove, that the polynomial:

$$P(x) = (x-a)^2(x-b)^2 + 1$$

cannot be expressed as a product of two nonconstant polynomials with integer coefficients.
 
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lfdahl said:
Let $a$ and $b$ be two integer numbers, $a \ne b$. Prove, that the polynomial:

$$P(x) = (x-a)^2(x-b)^2 + 1$$

cannot be expressed as a product of two nonconstant polynomials with integer coefficients.

by letting t = x - a and hence x-b = t + a -b = t -c where c = b- a we get

$t^2(t-c)^2 + 1$ another polinomial in t

above has minimum value of 1 so this does not have linear factor as no real zero.

so we need to check if it has 2 quadratoc factors

1 can be expressed as 1 * 1 or - 1 * - 1 so we have 2 choices

$(t^2+nt +1)(t^2-nt + 1)$ n and -n because there is no term in t

this gives that there is no term in $t^3$ which is contradiction

similarly $(t^2+nt -1)(t^2-nt - 1)$ is ruled out

hence it cannot be factored
 
kaliprasad said:
by letting t = x - a and hence x-b = t + a -b = t -c where c = b- a we get

$t^2(t-c)^2 + 1$ another polinomial in t

above has minimum value of 1 so this does not have linear factor as no real zero.

so we need to check if it has 2 quadratoc factors

1 can be expressed as 1 * 1 or - 1 * - 1 so we have 2 choices

$(t^2+nt +1)(t^2-nt + 1)$ n and -n because there is no term in t

this gives that there is no term in $t^3$ which is contradiction

similarly $(t^2+nt -1)(t^2-nt - 1)$ is ruled out

hence it cannot be factored
Very nice, kaliprasad! Thankyou for your participation!The suggested solution differs a bit from kaliprasads, so I will post it here:

Suppose $P(x)$ is a product of two polynomials. Then these polynomials are monic and both have degree $2$, since the coefficient of $P(x)$ at $x^4$ is $1$, and $P(x) > 0$ has no real roots:

\[P(x) = (x^2+px+q)(x^2+rx+s)\]

At $x=a$ and $x=b$, $P(x)=1$, therefore: $x^2+px+q=x^2+rx+s = \pm 1$. Thus $px-rx+q-s$ has two different roots, $a$ and $b$, and therefore is identically zero: $p=r$ and $q=s$.

Then, we have: $P(x) = (x-a)^2(x-b)^2 + 1=(x^2+px+q)^2$.

Since, the only two squares, that differ by $1$ are $0^2$ and $1^2$, $P(x) = 1$. A contradiction.
 
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