Expressing defined integral as composition of differentiable functions

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The problem involves expressing the defined integral \( f(t) = \int_{t}^{t^2} \frac{1}{s+\sin{s}} ds \) for \( t > 1 \) as a composition of two differentiable functions \( g: \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}^2 \) and \( h: \mathbb{R}^2 \to \mathbb{R} \). Participants are also tasked with finding the derivative of \( f \) using this composition.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to define the functions \( g \) and \( h \). Suggestions include \( g(t) = (t, \sin t) \) and \( g(t) = (t, t^2) \). Others question the necessity of using functions of more than one variable for finding the derivative.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various definitions for \( g \) and \( h \) and discussing the implications of these choices. There is recognition that \( f(t) = h(g(t)) \) can be established with certain definitions, and some participants are considering the application of the chain rule for differentiation.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the problem consisting of two parts, with part b specifically focusing on finding the derivative of \( f \) using the composition. Some participants note confusion regarding the application of the chain rule in this context.

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Homework Statement


Let ##f(t)=\int_{t}^{t^2} \frac{1}{s+\sin{s}}ds,t>1.##Express ##f## as a composition of two differentiable functions ##g:ℝ→ℝ^2## and ##h:ℝ^2→ℝ##. In addition, find the derivative of ##f## (using the composition).

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The Attempt at a Solution


Honestly, I have no proper idea how to approach this problem. I know what is being asked, but how to find such functions ##g## and ##f##? Let g(t)=(t,sint) and h(x,y)=1/(x+y)? A nudge in the right direction will be appreciated.
 
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lep11 said:

Homework Statement


Let ##f(t)=\int_{t}^{t^2} \frac{1}{s+\sin{s}}ds,t>1.##Express ##f## as a composition of two differentiable functions ##g:ℝ→ℝ^2## and ##h:ℝ^2→ℝ##. In addition, find the derivative of ##f## (using the composition).

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The Attempt at a Solution


Honestly, I have no proper idea how to approach this problem. I know what is being asked, but how to find such functions ##g## and ##f##? Let g(t)=(t,sint) and h(x,y)=1/(x+y)? A nudge in the right direction will be appreciated.
What about ##g(t) = (t, t^2)##?

PS I think I can see what is intended, but if the aim is to find ##f'## I don't see why you need to consider functions of more than one variable.
 
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PeroK said:
What about ##g(t) = (t, t^2)##?

PS I think I can see what is intended, but if the aim is to find ##f'## I don't see why you need to consider functions of more than one variable.
The problem actually consists of two parts (a and b) and the part b is to find the derivative of ##f## using the composition. ##g(t)=(t,t^2)##, well, okay, but how to find such ##h##? ##h(x,y)=\int_{x}^{y} \frac{1}{s+\sin{s}}ds##? And in part b in thinking maybe it's the reversal chain rule? It's a bit confusing.
 
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lep11 said:
The problem actually consists of two parts (a and b) and the part b is to find the derivative of ##f## using the composition. ##g(t)=(t,t^2)##, well, okay, but how to find such ##h##? ##h(x,y)=\int_{x}^{y} \frac{1}{s+\sin{s}}ds##?

Yes, ##f(t) = h(g(t))## with those definitions.

For your information, I would have split ##f## as follows:

##f(t) = f_1(t^2) - f_1(t)##

Where ##f_1(t) = \int_0^{t} k(s)ds##

Those are all differentiable functions of a single variable.
 
PeroK said:
Yes, ##f(t) = h(g(t))## with those definitions.
Are there other possibilities?
 
lep11 said:
Are there other possibilities?

There may be, but I think that is the one that the question setter intended.
 
By the chain rule ##\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{t}}(t)=\frac{\partial{h(g(t))}}{\partial{t}}=\frac{\partial{h}}{\partial{g_1}}\frac{\partial{g_1}}{\partial{t}}+\frac{\partial{h}}{\partial{g_2}}\frac{\partial{g_2}}{\partial{t}}##

How to apply it in this case?
 
lep11 said:
By the chain rule ##\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{t}}(t)=\frac{\partial{h(g(t))}}{\partial{t}}=\frac{\partial{h}}{\partial{g_1}}\frac{\partial{g_1}}{\partial{t}}+\frac{\partial{h}}{\partial{g_2}}\frac{\partial{g_2}}{\partial{t}}##

How to apply it in this case?

First, ##f## is a function of ##t##, so you can't have a partial derivative.

You need to write:

##f(t) = g(x(t), y(t)) = g(t, t^2)##

And, apply the chain rule to that.
 

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