F integrable, find g that makes the integral as small as you wish

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The discussion revolves around the existence of a continuous function \( g \) that approximates a Lebesgue integrable function \( f \) in the context of \( L^1 \) spaces, specifically under the condition that \( f \) is 2π-periodic. Participants explore the implications of this approximation and the properties of the functions involved.

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  • Participants discuss the density of continuous functions in \( L^1 \) and the challenges of ensuring continuity while approximating \( f \). There are attempts to define \( g \) based on the continuity of \( f \) and the properties of Lebesgue integrable functions. Questions arise regarding the validity of certain assumptions and the implications of discontinuities in \( f \).

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The discussion is active, with various approaches being considered, including the use of step functions and smoothing techniques. Some participants express skepticism about certain assumptions, while others suggest alternative methods to construct the desired function \( g \). There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the requirement for \( g \) to be continuous and 2π-periodic, as well as the implications of discontinuities in \( f \). The discussion also references established theorems and results from measure theory that may relate to the problem.

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I'm reading a proof and they make the following statement as if obvious: "Let f be a 2 pi-periodic function Lebesgue integrable on [-pi,pi]. Then given e>0, there is a 2 pi-periodic function g:R-->R continuous on [-pi,pi] such that

\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\pi}^{\pi}|f-g|<\epsilon

(In other words, C_{2\pi} is dense in L^1_{2\pi}.)

Is the existence of such a g obvious?

The Attempt at a Solution



Let L^1_{\lambda} denote the space of equivalence classes of integrable functions that are equal almost everywhere (that is to say [f]=[g] if f=g a.e.). I know that the space E^1_{\lambda} of elementary function (i.e., function of the kind \phi=\sum_1^n a_k\mathbb{I}_{E_k}) are dense in L^1_{\lambda}. This means that I can find an elementary function \phi such that

\frac{1}{2\pi}||f-\phi||_1=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\pi}^{\pi}|f-\phi|<\epsilon/2.

Moreover, elementary functions are of bounded variation, which guaranties that their Fourier series converges to them almost everywhere (Dirichlet). But that convergence need not be uniform, so I cannot find an N such that letting g denote the N-th partial sum of the Fourier series of \phi, we have, for all x, |\phi(x) - g(x)|<2\pi\epsilon/2, and hence

\frac{1}{2\pi}||\phi-g||_1=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\pi}^{\pi}|\phi-g|<\epsilon/2
 
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You could consider the set
N = \{ x \in [0, 2\pi) : f(x) \text{ not continuous} \}
and show that for f to be integrable, N should be a null set (*). Then you can define a new function g by something like
g(x) = \begin{cases} f(x) &\text{ if } x \not\in N \\ \lim_{y \to x} f(y) & \text{ if } x \in N \end{cases}
and show that it is continuous (**). Then you have the theorem that says that if f and g differ on a null set, their integrals are equal.
The question is if (*) and (**) are possible and true :smile:
 
Unfortunately, (*) is not true. For instance the Dirichlet function \mathbb{I}_{\mathbb{Q}\cap [0,1]} is discontinuous everywhere (which forms a set of measure 1), yet is Lebesgue integrable.
 
Hmm, that's true: it differs from the continuous function x \mapsto 0 on a null set which is what I tried to use, but I did it wrong.

OK, another idea then: It's been a while since I did measure theory, but I thought that if f is Lebesgue integrable, it can be written as a limit of step functions in standard representation:
f = \lim_{n \to \infty} f_n; \qquad f_n = \sum_{A \in \mathcal{A}_n} (y_A)_n A
where A_1 \cap A_2 = \{ \}[/itex] for every A_1 \neq A_2 \in \mathcal{A}_n, \forall n. <br /> So perhaps an approach would be to make this continuous (by connecting the horizontal &#039;platforms&#039; in a continuous way, e.g. by a linear curve of with \delta_n in such a way that the total error introduces is below \epsilon. I&#039;m not sure how these new, continuous, functions would behave under the limit n \to \infty though; but I hope there is a way to make it work out even in quasar987&#039;s case.
 
If you read my attempt at a solution, this is in the spirit of what I tried, except I tried to make the step functions (elementary functions) continuous by approximating them with a trigonometric polynomial.

In your case, the method fails because the number of platform could easily be uncountable. Try to visualize what your method would look like in the case of the Dirichlet function
 
Take a look at Rudin's Real and Complex Analysis. He proves that Cc(X) is dense in Lp(X) using Lusin's theorem. Cc is the set of continuous complex functions with compact support.
 
I am aware of this result, but I don't see how to make it work for us here. Remember that the function g must be not only 2 pi periodic but also continuous! :eek:
 
My instinct is smoothing; convolve your function with a continuous function highly concentrated at 0.
 
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I thought Lusin's theorem basically gave you the continuous g that you need. And rudin's proof provides an explicit construction of g.
 

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