1. Limited time only! Sign up for a free 30min personal tutor trial with Chegg Tutors
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

F(x) = x as a sum of periodic functions?

  1. Oct 18, 2009 #1
    someone told me that there's a proof that says f(x) = x can be expressed as a sum of two periodic functions.. does anybody know this?

    thanks for sharing
     
  2. jcsd
  3. Oct 18, 2009 #2

    HallsofIvy

    User Avatar
    Staff Emeritus
    Science Advisor

    With what period? I cannot imagine how to do that!
     
  4. Oct 18, 2009 #3
    I'm not sure, someone just told me.. I don't really see how that would work, but who knows?
     
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2009
  5. Oct 18, 2009 #4

    arildno

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper
    Gold Member
    Dearly Missed

    To express it as the sum of INFINITELY many periodic functions on some interval is trivial, however..

    With two? Give me some more, please!
     
  6. Oct 18, 2009 #5
    I'm not quite sure how a function as the sum of an infinite amount of periodic functions can be f(x) = x, could you explain please?

    thank you
     
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2009
  7. Oct 18, 2009 #6
    so i'm gonna go ahead and take a guess that your friend was referring to a fourier series.

    as arildno has pointed out, this is a sum of an infinite number of periodic functions, not just two. (ie, it would be an infinite sum of sines, each with a different period and amplitude)

    you can theoretically do the same with any periodic function, though fourier was kind enough to show us how to calculate the coefficients and periods to describe any function we wish as just a sum of sines and cosines, so that is what is most often used.

    there will be a lot of stuff on the internet that goes into detail on proving this, as well as showing you precisely what is going on...


    also, so a function is periodic with an interval P if f(x)=f(x+P)
     
  8. Oct 18, 2009 #7
    Fourier got a hard time from his contemporaries, who could not accept that a square wave may be expressed as the infinite sum of a set of sin functions. Nowadays we are shown at an early stage of our (electronic communications) studies that Fourier was right. You could do worse than consult a communications text in your attempt to come to grips with this non-intuitive notion.
    For the sake of decency I include the details of an infinite series which describes a square wave:
    sq(t)=sin(t) + (1/3)sin(3t) + (1/5)sin(5t) + (1/7)sin(7t) + ....
    Try plotting this series, successively using more and more terms, and you will see the square wave taking shape as you go.
     
  9. Oct 18, 2009 #8
    this is also a wonderful java applet that shows the effect quite well:
    http://www.falstad.com/fourier/

    i remember when i was first learning about fourier series... took me a while to be comfortable with the idea of it all
     
  10. Oct 18, 2009 #9
    thanks, I know nothing about fourier series.. how does this relate to f(x) = x as a combination periodic functions?

    from my own observations, I have seen that the sum of periodic functions can either be periodic or not quite periodic but "close enough". So, if you took enough of these periodic functions that created an "almost" periodic function ( I've heard this term actually defined, but I don't know the definition so I'm using it in a non-rigourous sense), you could get something that becomes not periodic at all. any thoughts on this? could you some how get f(x) = x in this way?
     
  11. Oct 18, 2009 #10

    Hurkyl

    User Avatar
    Staff Emeritus
    Science Advisor
    Gold Member

    Can you write down a sum of one or more periodic functions that equals f on the interval [-1,1]?
    Now, can you add to that a sum of one or more periodic functions that equals f on the interval [-2,2]?
    Now, can you add to that a sum of one or more periodic functions that equals f on the interval [-4,4]?
     
  12. Oct 19, 2009 #11
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook




Similar Discussions: F(x) = x as a sum of periodic functions?
  1. Find function f(x)? (Replies: 1)

Loading...