Factoring polynomial over rings

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The discussion revolves around factoring the polynomial x^3 + 3x + 6 over various rings, specifically Z5, Z10, Z, Q, and ℝ. Participants explore the nature of the polynomial's roots and factorization in these different contexts.

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  • Participants discuss finding roots in Z5 and Z10, with one noting the identification of roots and the factorization process. Questions arise regarding the method for Z10 and the implications of having multiple roots in non-prime rings. The original poster expresses confusion about the factorization process and the nature of roots in Z10.

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Some participants have provided corrections and alternative methods for finding roots, particularly in Z5 and ℝ. There is ongoing exploration of the factorization in Z10, with multiple interpretations being considered. The discussion reflects a productive exchange of ideas, though no consensus has been reached regarding the factorization in Z10.

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Participants note the complexity of factoring polynomials in non-prime rings and the implications of zero divisors in Z10. There is also mention of the original poster's reliance on computational methods for finding roots in ℝ, indicating a potential gap in manual factorization techniques.

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Factor x^3+3x+6 over Z5, Z10, Z, Q and ℝ.

2. The attempt at a solution

For Z5, I have the roots of x^3+3x+1 in Z5, x=2=-3 and x=3=-4, so x+3 and x+4 are factors. By long division of x^3+3x+1, it is found that x+3 is a repeated factor, so x^3+3x+6=(x+4)(x+3)^2.

For Z and Q, Eisenhart's criterion is satisfied with 3, hence x^3+3x+6 is irreducible over Q, and hence Z.

For Z10 and ℝ... I don't really get how to do this problem. Is there a consistent way to work out the factors for Z10? It seems like a lot of effort. Also, I noticed that x^3+3x+6 has one real root over ℝ, and so I can factor it neatly to a linear factor (with real root) and a quadratic factor with two complex roots, but I only managed to get these roots with a computational method - and they have pretty long but explicit expressions, so again, my question: is there a proper way to work out the roots by hand here?

Thanks!
 
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Welcome to PF, llstelle! :smile:First off, x=3 is not a root in Z5, but x=1 is.

For Z10 you only need 1 root. Is perhaps x=1 or x=2 also a root in Z10?For R, I think you're stuck with the complicated solutions.
But here's a general method that gives the answer fairly easily:Starting with x^3+3x+6=0.

Substitute x=y+z, meaning you have a free choice for either y or z.
So (y+z)^3+3(y+z)+6=0

\Rightarrow (y^3+z^3+3y^2z+3yz^2) + 3(y+z)+6=0

\Rightarrow y^3+z^3+3(yz+1)(y+z)+6=0Choose z such that yz+1=0, or z=-{1 \over y}
Then: y^3 - {1 \over y^3} + 6 = 0
\Rightarrow (y^3)^2 + 6(y^3) - 1 = 0Solve as a quadratic equation and back substituting z gives:
x=y+z=\sqrt[3]{-3 + \sqrt{10}} - {1 \over \sqrt[3]{-3 + \sqrt{10}}}
or
x=y+z=-\sqrt[3]{3 + \sqrt{10}} + {1 \over \sqrt[3]{3 + \sqrt{10}}}

Note that both solutions are the same root.
 
Hello! Oh oops, that was a typo - yes I have x=1 as a root of the equation for Z5. And thanks for the general solution for ℝ! I've never done that before. I've been taught to test numbers until I find a root, then divide the cubic equation by the linear factor to find a quadratic factor, and use the general solution for a quadratic equation for the quadratic factor.. ): This is so much neater!

OK, I tried each of them for Z10 and I have x=1, 2, 6 or 7 satisfying f(x)=0. If I write (x+9)(x+8)(x+4)(x+3), I get a fourth order polynomial whose fourth order term does not vanish in Z10... How does this happen? Something looks wrong to me.

(:
 
llstelle said:
Hello! Oh oops, that was a typo - yes I have x=1 as a root of the equation for Z5. And thanks for the general solution for ℝ! I've never done that before. I've been taught to test numbers until I find a root, then divide the cubic equation by the linear factor to find a quadratic factor, and use the general solution for a quadratic equation for the quadratic factor.. ): This is so much neater!

:smile:
llstelle said:
OK, I tried each of them for Z10 and I have x=1, 2, 6 or 7 satisfying f(x)=0. If I write (x+9)(x+8)(x+4)(x+3), I get a fourth order polynomial whose fourth order term does not vanish in Z10... How does this happen? Something looks wrong to me.

(:

A polynomial of degree n can have more than n roots in Zn if n is not prime.
For instance, x^2-1 has 8 roots in Z24: \pm 1, \pm 5, \pm 7, \pm 11.
 
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I like Serena said:
A polynomial of degree n can have more than n roots in Zn if n is not prime.
For instance, x^2-1 has 8 roots in Z24: \pm 1, \pm 5, \pm 7, \pm 11.

And would probably indicate that x^3+3*x+6 doesn't have a unique factorization. Z10 has zero divisors. You can probably find several factorizations.
 

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