Falling and sliding stick (David Morin)

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SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the dynamics of a falling and sliding stick, specifically addressing the role of the normal force (N) in the translational motion equation N - mg = ma_y. Participants clarify that N is essential for maintaining the pivot on the frictionless rail and contributes to the stick's rotational motion. The conversation emphasizes that while the stick rotates, its center of mass (CoM) also experiences vertical acceleration due to gravity, leading to a net downward force. The analysis concludes that the stick's motion involves both translational and rotational components, necessitating a comprehensive understanding of forces acting on the system.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Newton's laws of motion
  • Familiarity with rigid body dynamics
  • Knowledge of torque and moment of inertia concepts
  • Basic principles of rotational motion and acceleration
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the derivation of the equations of motion for rigid bodies
  • Learn about the relationship between torque and angular acceleration
  • Explore the concept of non-inertial reference frames and fictitious forces
  • Investigate the dynamics of systems with constraints, such as pivots and supports
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Physics students, mechanical engineers, and anyone interested in the dynamics of rigid bodies and rotational motion will benefit from this discussion.

  • #31
Father_Ing said:
I am a bit confused..
If we see the the rod as a rigid body that is formed by many particles, N is exerted only to the particle at the end of the rod.In my opinion, N only affects the acceleration of the particle this point (the pivot, or we can also say, the end of the rod). However,in the equation ##N -mg = ma## , I can conclude that N affects the acceleration of the whole particles.

How can N affects the whole particles' acceleration?
If you lift a suitcase up by the handle, then the handle doesn't necessarily break off from the rest of the suitcase. And, if you hold a tennis racket by the handle, then the racket head (the bit with the strings) moves as well when you swing the handle.

Have you made any progress at solving this problem?
 
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  • #32
PeroK said:
Have you made any progress at solving this problem?
Yep! I have made it through the 2nd question. I still have some problems regarding the concepts, though.
haruspex said:
Because the rod is rigid, so each particle transfers force and torque to the next.
So, each particle has a force ##dN## exerted on it, and the value of ##dN## differs from each particle?
 
  • #33
Father_Ing said:
So, each particle has a force ##dN## exerted on it, and the value of ##dN## differs from each particle?
Yes, each particle on the rod must be subject to the force required by the constraint that the rod remains rigid. ##N## is an external force applied at the pivot. ##dN## doesn't make sense in this context.

There will be a distribution of internal forces along the rod. If you have calculated the motion of the rod, you may calculate the motion of every point on the rod and hence the force on that point.

The point is that the internal forces cancel (Newton's third law) and the external forces determine the motion. Unless the rod breaks, the internal forces are irrelevant.
 
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  • #34
Alright! Thanks.
 

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