Faster Than Light: Nullifying Mass with E=MC2

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of faster-than-light (FTL) travel, specifically addressing the relationship between mass and velocity as described by Einstein's equation E=mc². Participants explore theoretical implications, challenges, and misconceptions related to mass and energy in the context of FTL travel.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that mass increases with velocity, suggesting this as a barrier to FTL travel.
  • Others argue that mass does not increase in the way traditionally understood, emphasizing that finite energy results in speeds less than light.
  • A participant references a source to clarify misconceptions about relativistic mass and its relevance to current physics understanding.
  • One participant introduces a concept from classical electrodynamics regarding causality violations if FTL signals were possible.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between infinite energy requirements and the concept of increasing mass, with some participants questioning the connection.
  • Another participant explains that the modern consensus is to refer to rest mass as invariant, while relativistic mass is observer-dependent and relates to total energy.
  • A participant mentions a book that discusses multiple reasons against FTL travel from a special relativity perspective.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the concept of mass and its relation to velocity, with some defending the traditional view while others challenge it. The discussion remains unresolved with competing viewpoints on the implications for FTL travel.

Contextual Notes

There are references to outdated concepts of mass that may lead to misconceptions, and the discussion highlights the evolution of terminology in physics. The implications of energy requirements for FTL travel are also debated without reaching a consensus.

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The main obstacle to FTL is that mass increases with velocity and in the book of my imagination there is a blank spot on how to nullify the mass of a star ship. I can't help but think the answer is hidden somewhere in Albert's equation E=MC2.
 
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Madpoet626 said:
mass increases with velocity
It does not. At least not in the way "mass" has been used the last 50+ years.
The main obstacle to FTL is the fact that every finite energy leads to a speed slower than the speed of light.
Madpoet626 said:
and in the book of my imagination there is a blank spot on how to nullify the mass of a star ship.
Even massless objects are not faster than the speed of light. They move exactly at the speed of light.
 
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It does not. At least not in the way "mass" has been used the last 50+ years.
The main obstacle to FTL is the fact that every finite energy leads to a speed slower than the speed of light.
Even massless objects are not faster than the speed of light. They move exactly at the speed of light.
Yes, but does not the infinite energy issue directly connect to the increasing mass? In nature massless objects are limited in speed by the inertia at the time of their creation ?
 
Ohanian (Classical Electrodynamics) has very neat argument that if any signal can travel FTL, then in another inertial frame it travels at infinite speed. Consequently the signal in that frame is received by the sender before he sent it : unacceptable causality violation.
 
Madpoet626 said:
Yes, but does not the infinite energy issue directly connect to the increasing mass?

Mass does not increase at all. What you are thinking of is probably the old concept of "relativistic mass", which is generally speaking not much used any more these days because it tends to lead new students to all sorts of misconceptions. The consensus in most texts on relativity these days is that "mass" usually refers to rest mass, unless specifically stated otherwise - and rest mass is an invariant quantity. Relativistic mass is best understood as a measure of total energy a system possesses, which is an observer-dependent quantity.
 

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