Fiber Optic Gyros: Accuracy & Price | Camera/Gun Stabilization

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of Fiber Optic Gyroscopes (FOGs) for stabilization in applications such as camera and gun systems. Participants explore the accuracy, price range, and actuator mechanisms suitable for these systems, comparing FOGs with other types of gyroscopes like MEMS and Ring Laser Gyros.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that FOGs are more accurate than mechanical or MEMS gyros, but they require significant space and power due to the long optical fiber needed.
  • Others highlight that 3D MEMS gyroscopes are lightweight, robust, and suitable for fast stabilization, suggesting they may be preferable for handheld or tripod-mounted systems.
  • There is mention of the Ring Laser Gyro being more compact, but concerns are raised about its frequency lock-in issues and poor response to slow angular rates.
  • Some participants argue that spinning flywheel gyros can stabilize platforms without needing a servo system, while others counter that FOGs and MEMS require such systems for stabilization.
  • Questions are raised about the specific requirements for stabilization, including the type of platform, desired accuracy, and the duration of stabilization needed.
  • A participant inquires whether separate motors are needed for stabilization or if the outputs from gyros can be integrated with existing control motors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the suitability and accuracy of various gyroscope types for stabilization tasks. There is no consensus on which gyroscope is definitively better for the applications discussed, and multiple competing views remain regarding the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations related to the power requirements and physical size of FOGs, as well as the response characteristics of Ring Laser Gyros. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on specific project requirements, such as accuracy and stabilization duration.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for engineers, researchers, and hobbyists interested in gyroscopic technology for stabilization applications in various platforms, including cameras and firearms.

Israr Hussain
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Hello every body. Has anybody used Fiber Optic Gyros? How accurate they are? How about the price range? Could anybody help me select a suitable actuator system/motor mechanism for, say a camera stabilization or a gun stabilization using a fiber optic gyro. I want to get rid of mechanical gyros.
 
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What do you mean by “mechanical gyros”? Spinning flywheels or MEMS?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibrating_structure_gyroscope

Fiber Optic Gyroscopes are laser gyroscopes. They are more accurate than mechanical or ultrasonic / MEMS gyros. The problem with FOGs is that they require a spool with many hundreds of metres of optic fibre as a laser light path and a digital processor. That makes them bulky and require a significant power supply. To stabilise a targeting system would require at least two FOG modules. FOGs are suitable for navigation because they can sense the rotation of the Earth and so find the True North meridian. They make an accurate compass, something that MEMS cannot do.

3D MEMS gyroscopes are now the obvious choice for fast servo stabilisation of handheld or tripod mounted platforms or equipment. They are light weight, robust, low power and have a fast response.
 
There is the Ring Laser Gyro, much more compact. FOG fibers are noted at 5 km.
 
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Baluncore said:
What do you mean by “mechanical gyros”? Spinning flywheels or MEMS?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibrating_structure_gyroscope

Fiber Optic Gyroscopes are laser gyroscopes. They are more accurate than mechanical or ultrasonic / MEMS gyros. The problem with FOGs is that they require a spool with many hundreds of metres of optic fibre as a laser light path and a digital processor. That makes them bulky and require a significant power supply. To stabilise a targeting system would require at least two FOG modules. FOGs are suitable for navigation because they can sense the rotation of the Earth and so find the True North meridian. They make an accurate compass, something that MEMS cannot do.

3D MEMS gyroscopes are now the obvious choice for fast servo stabilisation of handheld or tripod mounted platforms or equipment. They are light weight, robust, low power and have a fast response.
Yes spinning wheel gyros
Doug Huffman said:
There is the Ring Laser Gyro, much more compact. FOG fibers are noted at 5 km.

Doug Huffman said:
There is the Ring Laser Gyro, much more compact. FOG fibers are noted at 5 km.
But Ring laser gyros have frequency lock in issue. Secondly they have very poor response to slow angular rates, i.e they do not sense slow angular change
 
Israr Hussain said:
Yes spinning wheel gyros
But Ring laser gyros have frequency lock in issue. Secondly they have very poor response to slow angular rates, i.e they do not sense slow angular change
Spinning wheel gyros do not need a separate actuator for the counter torque against precession.
 
Israr Hussain said:
Secondly they have very poor response to slow angular rates, i.e they do not sense slow angular change
But a camera or gun needs to be stabilised only over a period of a few seconds at most.

Spinning flywheels stabilise the platform without need for a servo system.

FOGs, ring lasers and MEMS all sense orientation changes and require a servo system to stabilise the platform.
 
Baluncore said:
But a camera or gun needs to be stabilised only over a period of a few seconds at most.

Spinning flywheels stabilise the platform without need for a servo system.

FOGs, ring lasers and MEMS all sense orientation changes and require a servo system to stabilise the platform.
Accuracy is the key. Spinning flywheels cannot provide the accuracy one needs in gun stabilization. Thats why people have switched to modern gyros like Fiber Optic gyros and Ring Laser Gyros.
 
Israr Hussain said:
Accuracy is the key.
What are you trying to stabilise?
What is it mounted on?
What accuracy do you require over what period of time?
How will you remove Earth rotation from your platform?
 
Baluncore said:
What are you trying to stabilise?
What is it mounted on?
What accuracy do you require over what period of time?
How will you remove Earth rotation from your platform?
Well I am doing a project on gun stabilization. It could be mounted any moving platform, say a vehicle.
Time should be as short as possible of course. Greater the accuracy, greater would be the project.
 
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And, do we need separate motors for stabilization module or integrate the output from gyros to the azimuthal and traversal motors used for the gun control?
 

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