Fibre optics for use in lighting?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the feasibility of using fibre optic cables to transmit sufficient light for applications such as lighting rooms from rooftops, with a specific focus on achieving a target of 1000 lumens. Participants explore the technical challenges and considerations involved in this application, including light sources and energy transfer through fibre optics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of transmitting 1000 lumens through fibre optics and seeks methods for calculation.
  • Another participant suggests that achieving 1000 lumens is feasible if a sufficiently bright light source is used, noting the limitations of light input due to the small aperture of fibre optic cables.
  • A participant shares an anecdote about a project involving lossy fibre optics used to illuminate electric fences, suggesting that significant energy transfer is possible.
  • Concerns are raised about how the electric fence project produced a continuous light source, with one participant questioning the mechanics of light injection into the fibre.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for consistent loss in the fibre to achieve an even glow, suggesting that an inverse exponential loss might be necessary for uniform illumination.
  • One participant mentions that defects in the fibre surface could facilitate light leakage, indicating a method to maintain illumination along the fibre's length.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicalities of achieving consistent illumination through fibre optics, with some agreeing on the need for effective light sources and consistent fibre properties, while others challenge the specifics of the electric fence example and its implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about light sources, fibre properties, and the mechanics of light transmission, indicating that the discussion is influenced by specific project experiences and theoretical considerations.

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Is it possible to send enough light down a fibre optic cable to produce say 1000 Lumens? How would I go about calculating this?

My thoughts here are using fibre optic cables to transfer light from the rooftops of buildings to the rooms inside. Is it possible? I know fibre optics are used to transfer power in MRI machines.
 
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I would think so, as long as you can get 1,000 lumens into the fiber optic cable to begin with. The problem you'll run into is that without some sort of small, bright light source, like the LED's and lasers they typically use, the amount of light you can pump into them is extremely limited thanks to the very small aperture of the opening. You'd need to focus the light from a much larger area down and get it into the cable. (Without burning up the cable)
 
A couple of years ago in our labs we had a PhD working on using a lossy fibre to wrap around electric fences so they light up at night to prevent our dairy farmers from zapping themselves. They were able to illuminate over a hundred metres of electric fence so I think you can easily transfer that much energy through your fibre.
 
wukunlin said:
A couple of years ago in our labs we had a PhD working on using a lossy fibre to wrap around electric fences so they light up at night to prevent our dairy farmers from zapping themselves. They were able to illuminate over a hundred metres of electric fence so I think you can easily transfer that much energy through your fibre.

ummm ... and how did the electric fence produce the continuous light source along its length that was injected into the fibre to light it up ?
The only time I have seen electric fences produce light was from small sparks where it was shorting out to ground

the light source for the fibre must have been back at the start of the fibre, a LED or globe shining into the end of it
ya don't need a PhD to work that out :wink:

cheers
Dave
 
I never said the light source came from the fence?

The student was probably working on a side project for a partner in the dairy industry. I don't know the details but you do need to find ways to produce fibres with consistent loss so you get a even glow along the fibre (and the fence) instead of just a small spot at the end.
 
wukunlin said:
I never said the light source came from the fence?

The student was probably working on a side project for a partner in the dairy industry. I don't know the details but you do need to find ways to produce fibres with consistent loss so you get a even glow along the fibre (and the fence) instead of just a small spot at the end.

Seems like the loss would need to be inverse exponential to give an even glow along the length of the fiber -- even harder...
 
All you need are defects in the fiber surface, more or less evenly distributed ... then it leaks.

When it gets too dim, you need to inject more light. But here they total distance wasn't too great, so probably most of the light was simply transmitted.

I've bumped into an electric fence more than once ... but I did it in full daylight, so this would not have helped me!
 

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