Figuring out the sign of sinx given cosx

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The discussion revolves around determining the sign of ##\sin x## given that ##\cos x = -0.4927##. Participants explore the relationship between the signs of sine and cosine in different quadrants, focusing on the need for additional information to make a definitive choice regarding the sign of sine. The scope includes conceptual reasoning and mathematical exploration.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants calculate ##\sin x## as ##\pm 0.8704## based on the given cosine value and express uncertainty about which sign to choose.
  • Others argue that additional information is necessary to determine the correct sign, suggesting that knowledge of the quadrant is essential.
  • A participant notes that both signs are mathematically valid, indicating that the choice depends on the specific context of the problem being solved.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between knowing the quadrant of cosine versus the quadrant of x itself, with some clarifying that the quadrant of x is what matters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that additional information is needed to determine the sign of sine, particularly regarding the quadrant in which x lies. However, there is no consensus on how to approach the problem without that information, leading to multiple viewpoints on the matter.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on quadrant information and the implications of cosine's sign, but does not resolve how to obtain that information or the implications of different contexts.

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Given that ##\cos x = -0.4927##, ##\sin x = \pm \sqrt{1 - (\cos x)^2} = \pm \sqrt{1 - (-0.4927)^2} = \pm 0.8704##. How do I know which sign to choose for the correct sign?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
Given that ##\cos x = -0.4927##, ##\sin x = \pm \sqrt{1 - (\cos x)^2} = \pm \sqrt{1 - (-0.4927)^2} = \pm 0.8704##. How do I know which sign to choose for the correct sign?
You don't. You will need some other fact to make that choice.
 
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Oh. Like what extra information would I need?
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Oh. Like what extra information would I need?
That's too open-ended. What other informmation do you have? Or is this a generic question?
 
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Just a generic question. Would I need to know what quadrant cosx is in? Since it could be in either II or III.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Just a generic question. Would I need to know what quadrant cosx is in? Since it could be in either II or III.
You need some way to determine whether x is in 2nd or 3rd quadrant, yes.
 
That gives two possible answers. Refer to the Unit Circle.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Given that ##\cos x = -0.4927##, ##\sin x = \pm \sqrt{1 - (\cos x)^2} = \pm \sqrt{1 - (-0.4927)^2} = \pm 0.8704##. How do I know which sign to choose for the correct sign?
They BOTH are correct. You make a selection according to the situation you are solving.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Would I need to know what quadrant cosx is in?
You would need to know what quadrant x is in, not what quadrant cos(x) is in.
 
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Both are correct because here sign of cosine is negative and cosine has negative values in 2nd and 3rd quadrant and sine has positive values in 2nd quadrant and negative values in 3rd quadrant. So here sign of sine depends on quadrant.
 

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