Final voltage across the capacitor

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The discussion revolves around the final voltage across a capacitor in a circuit involving resistors and a DC voltage source. Participants explore the behavior of the capacitor in steady state, the impact of resistors on voltage, and the differences between open and short circuits in the context of DC voltage.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially claims that the final voltage across the capacitor is equal to the source voltage of 90 V, stating that a capacitor behaves as an open circuit in the presence of DC voltage.
  • Another participant suggests that the final voltage should account for the voltage drop across the resistor, questioning whether the voltage across the capacitor could be 90 V minus the voltage across the resistor.
  • A later reply indicates that the final voltage could be -30 V, proposing to treat the circuits as separate and considering steady state voltages, while clarifying that the capacitor is not an open circuit during DC but rather after a long period of DC.
  • One participant acknowledges confusion regarding the circuit components and admits to missing a resistor in their calculations.
  • Another participant reiterates the -30 V final voltage, explaining the initial conditions when switching circuits and how the capacitor behaves as an open circuit with no current flow, leading to a voltage divider effect with the resistor.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the meanings of open and short circuits and the flow of current through the capacitor in steady state, with one participant admitting to a misunderstanding that led to incorrect conclusions about voltage drops.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the final voltage across the capacitor, with participants presenting competing views and calculations. Some participants assert that the final voltage is 90 V, while others calculate it as -30 V, leading to an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the definitions of open and short circuits, as well as the behavior of capacitors and resistors in steady state conditions. There are also references to specific circuit configurations and initial conditions that may affect the analysis.

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The final voltage across the capacitor is the same as the source voltage is 90 V since a capacitor behaves as an open circuit in presence of a DC voltage.


But what about the resistor? He is placed in series with the capacitor and wouldn't it be:

final voltage cap = 90 V - voltage across the resistor? There is a voltage drop over the resistor right?

Edit:

NEver mind. I was confusing the meaning of short circuit with open circuit and a capacitor with inductor. No current is flowing through the cap and so the voltage on its terminals like the source voltage.

My excuses.
 
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I get -30 for the final voltage. Try treating the circuits as two different circuits. circuit b, and circuit a, and look at their steady state voltages. and remember, its not an open circuit in the presence of DC, its an open circuit after a long period of just DC. There is stored energy in the cap that is going to go places.
 
Ignore me. I missed a resistor.
 
MrSparkle said:
I get -30 for the final voltage. Try treating the circuits as two different circuits. circuit b, and circuit a, and look at their steady state voltages. and remember, its not an open circuit in the presence of DC, its an open circuit after a long period of just DC. There is stored energy in the cap that is going to go places.

I was talking about when the switch stays long enough in position b, then the final voltage is 90 V (of the left side of the circuit) because it takes over the votlage of the source.


The initial voltage of vc is indeed -30V when you turn from a to b and its the 'final voltage of the circuit if switch a' is locked for a long time (so before), so the cap is a open circuit, no current, the resistor of 60 is a voltage divider 60/(60+20) times negative 40V = -30 V

Sorry, If i wasn't clear. I am using the Nilsson Electric Circuits

My problem was, I messed up the meaning of open and short circuits(perhaps also inductor and cap) and I thought current was flowing through the cap when in position b in steady state. In that erroneous case You would get a voltage drop across your resistor of 4000kΩ and so the voltage across the cap couldn't be 90V. That was a silly mistake.
 
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ah, i misread the circuit. I had it backwards. yah its 90. initial value is -30.

after a while, there will be no current through the resistor, and hence no voltage drop. so the voltage will be the same on both sides.
 

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