Find a basis of a subspace of R^4

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The discussion revolves around finding a basis for the span of three vectors in R^4: {[2,1,0,-1],[-1,1,1,1],[2,7,4,5]}. Participants are exploring the relationship between different bases and the concept of linear independence.

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  • Participants discuss the results of obtaining the reduced row echelon form (RREF) and the implications of different bases. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the derived basis and its relation to the original vectors.

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Some participants have pointed out that the solution to the problem is not unique, suggesting that different bases can be valid. However, there is contention regarding the correctness of one participant's derived basis, with indications that it does not span the same subspace as the original vectors.

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There is mention of a lack of detailed work shown by one participant, which complicates the ability to identify specific errors in their reasoning. The discussion also touches on the concept of linear independence among the three vectors provided.

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Find a basis of the given span{[2,1,0,-1],[-1,1,1,1],[2,7,4,5]}

So I got the RREF, and found the basis to be two rows of the RREF, which are [1,0,-1/3,0] and [0,1,2/3,1], but the answer is [2,1,0,-1],[-1,1,1,1]

Where did I do wrong?
 
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If the first vector of the two answer vectors is supposed to be [2,1,0,-1] then you got the same answer as the book - only you are spanning the space with different vectors.
 
greendays said:
Find a basis of the given span{[2,1,0,-1],[-1,1,1,1],[2,7,4,5]}

So I got the RREF, and found the basis to be two rows of the RREF, which are [1,0,-1/3,0] and [0,1,2/3,1], but the answer is [2,1,0,-1],[-1,1,1,1]

Where did I do wrong?

As Robert1986 indicated, the solution is not unique, so you can have a correct answer that doesn't match the book.

However, your answer is incorrect. You didn't show your work, so I can't say what you did wrong. But your vectors do not span the same subspace as the given vectors. There is no linear combination of your two vectors that will give you [2, 1, 0, -1].

If

a[1, 0, -1/3, 0] + b[0, 1, 2/3, 1] = [2, 1, 0, -1]

then equality of the first coordinate forces a = 2, and equality of the second coordinate forces b = 1. But then you don't get equality in the fourth coordinate.
 
jbunniii said:
As Robert1986 indicated, the solution is not unique, so you can have a correct answer that doesn't match the book.

However, your answer is incorrect. You didn't show your work, so I can't say what you did wrong. But your vectors do not span the same subspace as the given vectors. There is no linear combination of your two vectors that will give you [2, 1, 0, -1].

If

a[1, 0, -1/3, 0] + b[0, 1, 2/3, 1] = [2, 1, 0, -1]

then equality of the first coordinate forces a = 2, and equality of the second coordinate forces b = 1. But then you don't get equality in the fourth coordinate.

Wow - I can't add!
 
I find that the three vectors are linearly independent.
 

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