Find Acceleration of Block M in Figure with Mass m at 0.8R

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The problem involves a block M shaped like a semicircular bowl with a mass m placed at a specific distance from the bottom. The task is to find the acceleration of block M as mass m moves down the bowl, with considerations for forces acting on both masses and the lack of friction.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on both masses, questioning the relevance of centripetal motion equations and suggesting the use of conservation laws. There is uncertainty about the correct application of forces and the relationship between the accelerations of the two blocks.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the forces involved and the equations needed to approach the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the forces acting on the blocks, but no consensus has been reached on a specific method or solution.

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Participants note the problem's constraints, including the requirement to use specific variables and the implications of the coordinate system defined in the problem statement.

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Homework Statement



The face of block M in the figure below is shaped like a semicircular bowl of radius R. A mass m is placed at the top-left corner of the bowl and then let go. Find the acceleration of block M relative to the surface it is sitting on when m is a distance of 0.8R from the bottom of the bowl. There is no friction between M and m, or between M and the surface on which it sits. (Use any variable or symbol stated above along with the following as necessary: g. Indicate the direction with the sign of your answer. Assume the +x-axis is to the right.)

http://puu.sh/bMIJx/03bb46a1d0.png

Homework Equations



f=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


All i got so far, cannot figure out a way to solve for acceleration. I guess i am missing some equations but i just can't figure it out.
http://puu.sh/bMIMh/216e860f3a.png [/B]
 
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What's the a in your equations? You have a ##ma\text{sin}(\theta)## term that I'm not seeing. So you have a block and a ball or whatever you want to call it, and there's the earth. How many forces are being exerted on little m? I see 3 in you're equation, but that equation for some reason doesn't look all that useful.

I personally don't see any reason to use centripetal equations of motion for this. What are the forces exerted on big M in the x direction and what are the forces on M in the y direction? (also, the problem statement says take +x -> which implies an acceleration in Cartesian)
 
The block is moving, better to use conservation laws - conservation of momentum and conservation of energy.

ehild
 
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the masin(θ) is the pseudo force of small block with respect to the big M.
Also, i don't think conservation of energy and momentum is viable in this case, since the question stated "Use any variable or symbol stated above along with the following as necessary: g." i don't think i can just use Velocity out of nowhere.
 
The magnitude is not normal, but the direction of the force on small m is most definitely normal. Sum the forces on big M, then there will be 1 force you need to look at the forces on little m.
 
I should clarify not the net force.
 
homo-sapiens said:

The Attempt at a Solution


All i got so far, cannot figure out a way to solve for acceleration. I guess i am missing some equations but i just can't figure it out.
http://puu.sh/bMIMh/216e860f3a.png [/B]
The acceleration of M is related to the acceleration of the small mass sliding down on it, how?

ehild
 
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