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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around estimating the amount of water needed to cool slag from the steel-making process to below boiling point. Participants engage in calculations involving heat capacity, temperature conversions, and energy removal, with a focus on achieving a rough estimate rather than precise values.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation for the energy required to cool 2000 lbs of slag, using specific heat capacity and temperature differences.
  • Another participant questions the accuracy of the temperature difference (ΔT) calculation, suggesting a need for verification.
  • Further replies indicate that the initial temperature (T1) was incorrectly converted from Fahrenheit to Celsius, with a corrected value proposed.
  • Concerns are raised about the number of significant digits in the calculations, with one participant suggesting that a ballpark estimate is acceptable despite the precision issues.
  • Clarification is provided regarding the heat of vaporization of water, with a participant noting a discrepancy in the conversion factor used, which affects the final water volume estimate.
  • A later reply humorously suggests that approximately one 55-gallon drum of water is needed to cool each ton of slag.
  • Participants express appreciation for the collaborative effort in resolving the calculation errors and share personal reflections on their mathematical skills.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the final calculation due to multiple corrections and differing views on the accuracy of the initial data and conversions. Participants agree on the need for corrections but do not settle on a definitive amount of water required.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential errors in temperature conversions, significant digit retention, and the accuracy of the heat of vaporization value used in calculations. The discussion does not resolve these issues.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in thermal dynamics, industrial processes involving steel production, or those seeking collaborative problem-solving in technical calculations.

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Hello people, thanks for reading. I am glad you are checking out my problem. Basically I need to confirm a "theory/formula" that my boss had written down from a decade ago declaring how much water (roughly) would be needed to cool Slag from steel making process to below boiling.

PROBLEM: Figure out how much H20 is needed to cool Slag down to 212°C
GIVEN:
MASS: 2000 lbs. or 1 ton or 907.185 kg
HEAT CAPACITY
Carbon Steel: 0.12 (Kcal/Kg°)C
Heat of H20 Vaporization (Enthalpy): 2260 J/g°C
TEMPERATURE
T1: 2200°F or 1104.4°C
T2: 212°F or 100°C
ΔT: 1104.44 °C
CONVERSIONS
1 Kcal = 4.184 Kilajoules
1 Gallon = 3.785 Kg

FORMULA
(MASS) (HEAT CAPACITY) (ΔTEMPERATURE) = Energy Removed From Slag
(907.168 Kg) (0.12 Kcal/Kg°)C (1104.44°)C
(907.168 Kg) (0.12 Kcal/Kg°)C (1104.44°)C
(120229.5151 Kcal)

(120229.5151 Kcal) 4.184 Kj
1 1 Kcal

503,040.2912 Kj = Energy Needed to be Removed from Slag
503,040.2912 Kj 503,040,291 Joules

503,040,291 J 1
1 2.260 J/g°C

(222584199.6 Grams) in H20 222,584 Kg

222,584 Kg 1 gallon
1 3.785 Kg

58806.86 Gallons of Water


Does anyone think I am close to the right solution? Yet again this need not be an extremely precise calculation. I really just want a ballpark that has been found using good math
 
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Check your ΔT calculation for the slag again.
 
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SteamKing said:
Check your ΔT calculation for the slag again.

Got it, I just had the wrong number written down for the conversion of 2200F to C. I believe my ΔT is ok because I just had a recording error there. Thanks!
 
ΔT is fine, the error is T1, which should have been 1204 C.
 
I think the calculation is fine. What I would normally complain about is that your data in converted units retains absurdly many "significant" digits, with none of them most likely correct; but since you need a ballpark estimate, then you should be fine.
 
T1 = 2200 F should be 1204 C

Once you get the energy to be removed (503000 kJ) you use 2.26 J/g-C for the heat of vaporization of water. The correct figure is 2270 kJ/kg-C, which puts your amount of water off by a factor of 1000.
 
Basically, you need to evaporate one 55-gallon drum of water to cool each ton of slag.
 
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Indeed. 2260 J/g°C was correct. How did that become 2.260 J/g°C?
 
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Thanks everyone! It means a lot to have people helping out. I see where I went wrong. I got ahead of myself and tried to conver 2260 J/g°C (for reasons I don't even remember). I am honestly not a very strong in physics or basic math. I have not taken a course in 5 years and do not keep up enough... I am far removed from even basic mathmatical equations but I am seeing with my new job, I better start remembering. Thanks again everyone. It means a lot
 

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