Find and Plot v_o(t) in Solution: Homework Equations & Attempt at a Solution

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The discussion revolves around finding and plotting the output voltage, ##v_o(t)##, in a circuit involving a capacitor and resistors. Participants are examining the behavior of the circuit at the moment the switch opens, particularly focusing on the initial conditions and the polarity of the capacitor charge.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a discrepancy in the solution regarding a negative sign in front of ##v_c(t = 0^+)## when calculating ##v_o(t = 0^+)## and questions its origin.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of marking the polarity of the capacitor charge before the switch opens and discusses the direction of current flow through the output resistor.
  • There are repeated requests for drawing the current through each component to clarify the circuit behavior.
  • Concerns are raised about the direction of current flow and the implications of Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) on the circuit analysis.
  • A participant argues that changing the polarity of the capacitor charge is incorrect and explains the expected current flow from the capacitor's positive terminal to its negative terminal.
  • One participant reflects on their misunderstanding caused by the voltage source and acknowledges that only the capacitor's discharge current should be considered immediately after the switch opens.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct polarity of the capacitor charge and the resulting current flow in the circuit. The discussion remains unresolved as differing viewpoints on these aspects persist.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of initial conditions and the behavior of the circuit at the moment the switch opens, indicating potential limitations in understanding the circuit dynamics without clear definitions of charge polarity and current direction.

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Homework Statement



Find ##v_o(t)## and plot it.

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The Attempt at a Solution



The solution was provided, and I got all of the same numbers except for one thing. For some reason, in step 3 there is a negative sign in front of ##v_c(t = 0^+)## when calculating ##v_o(t = 0^+)## using a voltage divider.

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Could someone shed some light to where that came from or is it simply an error?
 
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Mark the polarity of the capacitor charge for time t < 0. When the switch opens at t = 0, what direction will the current flow through the "output" resistor? So what's the resulting direction of potential drop?
 
gneill said:
Mark the polarity of the capacitor charge for time t < 0. When the switch opens at t = 0, what direction will the current flow through the "output" resistor? So what's the resulting direction of potential drop?

So you mean the capacitor discharges like so:

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So the current will flow head to tail through the 2k.
 
Draw the current through each component.
 
gneill said:
Draw the current through each component.

Screen Shot 2014-12-07 at 6.11.12 PM.png


I hope that looks okay now.
 
You have both currents through the 2k resistors heading downwards into the same node. Where does the current go? (think KCL)
 
gneill said:
You have both currents through the 2k resistors heading downwards into the same node. Where does the current go? (think KCL)

Screen Shot 2014-12-07 at 6.11.12 PM.png


I'm honestly a little confused if that's not the case.
 
You're making things worse! You've changed the polarity of the charge on the capacitor for no reason. Your original figure was correct: the capacitor was charged (at steady state) to the potential difference across the 2k resistor in parallel with it.

Current flows from higher potential (+) to lower potential (-). Current leaving the + terminal of the capacitor flows around the circuit to make its way back to the - terminal of the capacitor. You will not find current heading away from the - terminal of the capacitor!

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gneill said:
You're making things worse! You've changed the polarity of the charge on the capacitor for no reason. Your original figure was correct: the capacitor was charged (at steady state) to the potential difference across the 2k resistor in parallel with it.

Current flows from higher potential (+) to lower potential (-). Current leaving the + terminal of the capacitor flows around the circuit to make its way back to the - terminal of the capacitor. You will not find current heading away from the - terminal of the capacitor!

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I realize now that the voltage source was completely messing with my head, even though at ##t = 0^+## I shouldn't even be considering it! Only the current from the capacitor should matter at that point and the way it discharges is given by it's polarity (which can be found by looking at the battery terminals at ##t = 0^-##).

Thank you for clarifying this for me. Fooled once, never fooled again.
 

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