Find Area of Region Inside Cardioid & Outside Circle

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The problem involves setting up a double integral to find the area of the region inside a cardioid described by the equation r=2-2sin θ and outside a circle defined by r=1. Participants are discussing the correct limits of integration based on the intersections of these two curves.

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  • Participants are attempting to determine the correct bounds for the angles where the cardioid and circle intersect, specifically questioning the use of -5π/6 as a limit of integration. Some suggest that -7π/6 may be more appropriate.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning regarding the limits of integration. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the correct angle representation and the implications of using co-terminal angles.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion over the necessity of adding 2π to certain angles and the implications of using negative angles in the context of integration limits.

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Homework Statement


set up a double integral to find the area of the region inside the cardioid r=2-2sin θ and outside the circle r=1.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


setting the two equations equal to each other, I got theta = pi/6 , 5pi/6

Area= ∫-5pi/6 to pi/6 ∫1 to 2-2sinθ rdrdθ

I am not sure if my bounds for the lower angle is correct or not.

any help is appreciated

here is the graph:
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qq545282501 said:

Homework Statement


set up a double integral to find the area of the region inside the cardioid r=2-2sin θ and outside the circle r=1.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


setting the two equations equal to each other, I got theta = pi/6 , 5pi/6

Area= ∫-5pi/6 to pi/6 ∫1 to 2-2sinθ rdrdθ

I am not sure if my bounds for the lower angle is correct or not.

any help is appreciated

here is the graph:
View attachment 91714
The -5π/6 is not correct.

-5π/6 + 2π = 7π/6 is at the same location as -5π/6 .

You need a negative angle which terminates at the same place as 5π/6 .
 
qq545282501 said:

Homework Statement


set up a double integral to find the area of the region inside the cardioid r=2-2sin θ and outside the circle r=1.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


setting the two equations equal to each other, I got theta = pi/6 , 5pi/6

Area= ∫-5pi/6 to pi/6 ∫1 to 2-2sinθ rdrdθ
Your graph shows intersections for ##\theta = \pi/6## and ##\theta = 5\pi/6##. Above you have ##-5\pi/6##.
qq545282501 said:
I am not sure if my bounds for the lower angle is correct or not.

any help is appreciated

here is the graph:
View attachment 91714
 
@qq545282501: Have you figured out the correct limit yet? What is your final answer?
 
LCKurtz said:
@qq545282501: Have you figured out the correct limit yet? What is your final answer?
I think @SammyS is correct, -7pi/6 should work, I think it as it goes from -7pi/6 to pi/6, counterclockwise. but i don't understand the need to add 2pi, since 7pi/6 is the actual angle if you go clockwise from 0.
I didnt understand what @Mark44 said, or he is misunderstanding my question.

what do you think?
 
qq545282501 said:
I think @SammyS is correct, -7pi/6 should work, I think it as it goes from -7pi/6 to pi/6, counterclockwise. but i don't understand the need to add 2pi, since 7pi/6 is the actual angle if you go clockwise from 0.
I didnt understand what @Mark44 said, or he is misunderstanding my question.

what do you think?
Yes, "it goes from -7pi/6 to pi/6, counterclockwise".

If you are referring to my adding 2π, I was merely pointing out that -5π/6 is co-terminal with 7π/6 and that is incorrect for a limit of integration.
 
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SammyS said:
Yes, "it goes from -7pi/6 to pi/6, counterclockwise".

If you are referring to my adding 2π, I was merely pointing out that -5π/6 is co-terminal with 7π/6 and that is incorrect for a limit of integration.
oh ! i see, anyway, thank you all ! big Love
 
qq545282501 said:
I didnt understand what @Mark44 said, or he is misunderstanding my question.
What I said was that in your drawing, you show one of the angles as being ##5\pi/6##, but in your integral (below), you are using ##-5\pi/6## as a limit of integration.
qq545282501 said:
Area= ∫-5pi/6 to pi/6 ∫1 to 2-2sinθ rdrdθ
 
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