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To find the closest points P and Q on the given lines, the approach involves determining the direction vectors and points from the line equations. The normal vector to both lines can be calculated, which helps in defining a plane that intersects both lines. By minimizing the distance function D(s,t) between points on the two lines, or alternatively minimizing E(s,t) = D(s,t)², the closest points can be found. Standard calculus methods can be applied to achieve this minimization. This process effectively identifies the points P and Q that are closest to each other on the respective lines.
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Homework Statement


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Find points P,Q which are closest possible with P lying on the line

x=8+1t
y=8+1t
z=7−3t

and Q lying on the line
x=231−6t
y=−10−17t
z=71−13t

3. Attempt at solution

Hi,
I am at loss as to how to do this.

I know that from the equations I can get point (8,8,7) and direction vector (1,1,-3) for the first line and similar for the second line. Then I found the normal to both lines as the shortest distance points should form a perpendicular.

I don't know how to proceed from there.

Any help will be appreciated
 
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mathlabrat said:

Homework Statement


[/B]
Find points P,Q which are closest possible with P lying on the line

x=8+1t
y=8+1t
z=7−3t

and Q lying on the line
x=231−6t
y=−10−17t
z=71−13t

3. Attempt at solution

Hi,
I am at loss as to how to do this.

I know that from the equations I can get point (8,8,7) and direction vector (1,1,-3) for the first line and similar for the second line. Then I found the normal to both lines as the shortest distance points should form a perpendicular.

I don't know how to proceed from there.

Any help will be appreciated

Welcome to PF!

If you have found the normal of both lines (what did you get?) you can write the equation of the plane defined by this normal and the first line e. The second line f have to intersect that plane at point Q. The normal drawn from this point intersects the first line at P.
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mathlabrat said:

Homework Statement


[/B]
Find points P,Q which are closest possible with P lying on the line

x=8+1t
y=8+1t
z=7−3t

and Q lying on the line
x=231−6t
y=−10−17t
z=71−13t

3. Attempt at solution

Hi,
I am at loss as to how to do this.

I know that from the equations I can get point (8,8,7) and direction vector (1,1,-3) for the first line and similar for the second line. Then I found the normal to both lines as the shortest distance points should form a perpendicular.

I don't know how to proceed from there.

Any help will be appreciated

If line L1 is ##x_1 = 8+t, y_1 = 8 + t, z_1 = 7 - 3t## and line L2 is ##x_2 = 231 - 6s, y_2 = -10 - 17 s, z_2 = 71 - 13 s## we can let
D(s,t) = \sqrt{(x_1-x_2)^2 + (y_1 - y_2)^2 + (z_1 - z_2)^2}
be the distance between points ##(x_1,y_2,z_1)## on L1 and ##(x_2,y_2,z_2)## on L2. We can minimize ##D(s,t)## using standard calculus methods. Even easier, we can solve the equivalent problem of minimizing ##E(s,t) = D(s,t)^2##, which does not have a ##\sqrt{\;\;}## in it.
 
Question: A clock's minute hand has length 4 and its hour hand has length 3. What is the distance between the tips at the moment when it is increasing most rapidly?(Putnam Exam Question) Answer: Making assumption that both the hands moves at constant angular velocities, the answer is ## \sqrt{7} .## But don't you think this assumption is somewhat doubtful and wrong?

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