Find derivative of y. y= ln (1 + √x) / (x^3)

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The problem involves finding the derivative of the function y = ln((1 + √x) / x^3). Participants are exploring the application of logarithmic properties and the chain rule in differentiation.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply logarithmic properties to simplify the expression before differentiation. Some participants clarify the correct application of logarithmic rules and suggest using the chain rule for differentiation. Others question the steps taken and provide feedback on the calculations.

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Participants are actively discussing their attempts at differentiation, with some providing corrections and guidance on the application of the chain rule. There is a focus on ensuring the correct interpretation of logarithmic properties and the differentiation process, but no consensus has been reached on the final form of the derivative.

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There is an emphasis on the need for clarity in applying logarithmic identities and differentiation rules. Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and seek confirmation on their approaches.

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Hi guys, I've got :

[tex]y= ln ( (1 + √x) / x^{3})[/tex]


2. The attempt at a solution
I honestly don't know where to go from here, I tried getting the ln of each of them.


[tex]y = ln 1 +ln√x - ln x^{3}[/tex]


Am I doing it write? If not, how am I suppose to work this problem out? If so, where do I go from here?
 
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First note, log(1+sqrt(x)) does not equal log(1) + log (sqrt(x)). You're thinking about this property:

log(ab) = log(a) + log(b). So, what you should have is this mess below:

[itex]y = \ln{(1+\sqrt{x})} - \ln{x^3}[/itex]

On the first part, use the chain rule, on the second part use the chain rule. Show your work and we'll see where you go astray.
 
MarneMath said:
First note, log(1+sqrt(x)) does not equal log(1) + log (sqrt(x)). You're thinking about this property:

log(ab) = log(a) + log(b). So, what you should have is this mess below:

[itex]y = \ln{(1+\sqrt{x})} - \ln{x^3}[/itex]

On the first part, use the chain rule, on the second part use the chain rule. Show your work and we'll see where you go astray.

O.K. so I started doing the chain rule for the first one and got:

[tex](1/(1 + √x) )(1/(2√x) )[/tex]

Is it right so far?

EDIT: I did the second one and got:

[tex](1/(x^{3}) ) (3x^{2} )[/tex]
 
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ok I got used the chain rule and got

[tex][(1/2x^{-1/2})/(1 + √x)] - [(3x^2)/(x^3)][/tex]

then

[tex]1/[ (2√x) + 2x ] - 3/x[/tex]

How do I go from here to get the answer :

[tex](-6 -5√x)/[2x(1 + √x) ][/tex] ?
 
HellRyu said:
ok I got used the chain rule and got

[tex][(1/2x^{-1/2})/(1 + √x)] - [(3x^2)/(x^3)][/tex]

then

[tex]1/[ (2√x) + 2x ] - 3/x[/tex]

How do I go from here to get the answer :

[tex](-6 -5√x)/[2x(1 + √x) ][/tex] ?
Find a common denominator & combine fractions.
 

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