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The discussion revolves around finding the divergence and curl of the vector field v = (x² + y² + z²)⁻³/²(xi + yj + zk). Participants are exploring the application of the del operator and the correct interpretation of vector calculus operations.

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  • Participants are attempting to expand the vector v and apply the del operator, questioning the validity of their algebraic manipulations. There are discussions about the product rule and partial derivatives in the context of vector calculus.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the application of the del operator and the distinction between divergence and curl. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and methods to approach the problem, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and operations involved in vector calculus, particularly regarding the del operator and its application to a vector field. There are indications of confusion around the algebraic manipulation of the vector components and the use of partial derivatives.

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Homework Statement


Find the div v and curl v of v = (x2 + y2 + z2)-3/2(xi + yj + zk)

Homework Equations



div v = \nabla \cdot v and \nabla \times v

The Attempt at a Solution


I am just confused and drawing a blank in basic algebra

Is it right to expand v like this

v = x-3 + y-3 + z-3(xi + yj + zk)
= (z-3xi + z-3yj + z-2k)

is the right vector for v?
 
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(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{-3/2}\neq (x^{-3}+y^{-3}+z^{-3})
 
IssacNewton said:
(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{-3/2}\neq (x^{-3}+y^{-3}+z^{-3})

There's your problem. Also, that's not really the right approach. Do you know what del represents?
 
The del operator so instead I should be using (\partial/\partialx)i + (\partial/\partialy)j + (\partial/\partialz)k??
 
Rubik said:
The del operator so instead I should be using (\partial/\partialx)i + (\partial/\partialy)j + (\partial/\partialz)k??

Correct. Apply this operator to your vector v. Are you having trouble understanding what this does to your vector?

And just as a correction to your OP, div(v)=\triangledown \cdot v only; it is not equal to the dot product and the cross product. The curl is the cross product.
 
Yes I am struggling to apply this to my vector v? Is it right that I have to apply the product rule when applying the del operator to my vector?
 
So if differentiate with respect to x that is my (\partial/\partialx)i term is this remotely correct

u = (x2 + y2 + z2)-3/2
u' = -3(x2 + y2 + z2)-5/2
v = xi + yj + zk
v' = 1

then using the product rule

(x2 + y2 + z2)-3/2 - 3x(x2 + y2 + z2)-5/2(x + y + z)

Then I add in with respect to y and z or is the completely off track?
 
Rubik said:
So if differentiate with respect to x that is my (\partial/\partialx)i term is this remotely correct

u = (x2 + y2 + z2)-3/2
u' = -3(x2 + y2 + z2)-5/2
This is meaningless, u' is not defined for u a function of more than one variable.

[v = xi + yj + zk
v' = 1

then using the product rule

(x2 + y2 + z2)-3/2 - 3x(x2 + y2 + z2)-5/2(x + y + z)

Then I add in with respect to y and z or is the completely off track?
Pretty much. Do you not know how to take a partial derivative? I don't see any reference to partial derivatives!
 
Sorry what I meant was using the product rule to take the partial derivative with respect to x then y then z and then putting it all together and getting \nabla\cdot v


That is
the first term = (x2 + y2 + z2)-3/2
then we take the partial derivative of the first tems with respect to x gives
= -3x(x2 + y2 + z2)-5/2

Now the second term is (xi + yj + zk)
and the partial derivative with respect to x is 1 so using the product rule the first and second term come together to give

-3x(x2 + y2 + z2)-5/2 + (x2 + y2 + z2)-3/2

And doing the same by taking the partial derivative with respect to y and z then gives

\nabla\cdot v = (x + y + z)(x2 + y2 + z2)-5/2(-3x - 3y - 3z) + 3(x2 + y2 + z2)-3/2

Does that look right?
 
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Rubik said:
Sorry what I meant was using the product rule to take the partial derivative with respect to x then y then z and then putting it all together and getting \nabla\cdot vThat is
the first term = (x2 + y2 + z2)-3/2
then we take the partial derivative of the first tems with respect to x gives
= -3x(x2 + y2 + z2)-5/2

Now the second term is (xi + yj + zk)
and the partial derivative with respect to x is 1 so using the product rule the first and second term come together to give

-3x(x2 + y2 + z2)-5/2 + (x2 + y2 + z2)-3/2

And doing the same by taking the partial derivative with respect to y and z then gives

\nabla\cdot v = (x + y + z)(x2 + y2 + z2)-5/2(-3x - 3y - 3z) + 3(x2 + y2 + z2)-3/2

Does that look right?

Not as such no... I got the divergence to be zero. Using straight vector notation here we have:

\nabla \cdot \vec{v} = (\frac{\delta}{\delta x},\frac{\delta}{\delta y},\frac{\delta}{\delta z}) \cdot (x(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{-3/2},y(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{-3/2},z(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{-3/2})

Your partial derivative with respect to x was different. I got an x2 in front of the term with power (-5/2)
 

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