Find Elements in Chemical Formulas - Get Names

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The discussion revolves around identifying elements in chemical formulas and understanding the naming conventions for chemical compounds. Participants explore the limitations of deriving compound names solely from formulas, particularly in organic chemistry, and discuss the representation of atoms in molecular structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about a website that can convert chemical formulas to compound names, using CH4 as an example.
  • Another suggests using WolframAlpha, noting uncertainty about the comprehensiveness of its database for chemical compounds.
  • It is mentioned that while naming elements in a formula is straightforward, naming substances from formulas can be ambiguous, especially in organic chemistry due to the presence of isomers.
  • A participant asks how to identify elements in a given formula (CH3CH2CH2CH2CH3) and seeks clarification on the meaning of subscripts in chemical formulas.
  • Responses indicate that proper capitalization is necessary for chemical symbols and that subscripts indicate the number of atoms of each element in the molecule.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of organic compounds and how the structure of the formula reflects bonding between atoms.
  • Participants clarify that semistructural formulas can vary in representation and may not have standardized rules, which can lead to confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic principles of chemical formulas and the representation of elements, but there is no consensus on the best method for identifying compound names from formulas, particularly due to the ambiguity in organic chemistry.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of a definitive method for naming substances from formulas and the variability in the representation of semistructural formulas across different contexts.

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Is there a website where you can enter the Compound's chemical formula and it's will give us the names of elements?

like if i will enter to the website this chemical formula CH4 and it will give me the name Methane.


thanks.
 
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Perhaps you can use WolframAlpha [1]. While it works when searching for "chemical compound CH4" and a few others I've tried, I have no idea how extensive their database is.

[1] http://www.wolframalpha.com/
 
well thanks
 
While it is quite simple to name elements in the formula, it is in general not possible to name substance just from the formula. In the case of inorganic substances it is not that obvious, but in organic chemistry number of isomers grows pretty fast with number of atoms. Even something as simple as C2H6O is ambiguous.
 
so how can i know for example what element there in this formula ch3ch2ch2ch2ch3?

what is the way to know it?
thanks.
 
First, you have to write it using proper capitalization.

Then you have to compare symbols with the list of symbols. In this particular case there are only two elements, C and H.
 
ok and what mean the little number?

btw: this is real formula ch3ch2ch2ch2ch3
 
Well what do you know about organic chemistry? This is clearly an organic compound, and organic chains (hint) generally bond the way they're written. In CH3(CH2)3CH3 the two end carbons will be bonded to three hydrogens each. How do you think the other carbons will be bonded, based on this?
 
Question is now what omni knows about organic chemistry, question is what omni knows about formulas at all.

Omni: please use proper capitalization, ch3ch2ch2ch2ch3 doesn't mean anything. If anything it should be written as CH3CH2CH2CH2CH3.

Lower index means how many times atom (or group of atoms) is present in the molecule. Water molecule is H2O - two atoms of hydrogen and one atom of oxygen. We omit 1.
 
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oh ok so the little number mean how many atoms we got in the molecule ?

thnaks.
 
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Close but not exactly. In your example - that's a kind of "semistructural formula" - it tels you how many atoms of hydrogen are attached to particular carbon atom.

Note that semistructural formulas are not codified, that is, there is no set of rules that tells how to write them and what do they mean. In most cases that's not a problem, but sometimes they can be confusing and their use differs from lab to lab and from book to book.
 

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