Find molar mass and number of degrees of freedom from heat capacities.

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The discussion revolves around determining the molar mass and the number of degrees of freedom of gas molecules using given heat capacities, specifically Cv = 650 J/(KgK) and Cp = 910 J/(KgK). The participants are exploring the relationships between these quantities and the relevant equations from thermodynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the equations related to heat capacities to find the degrees of freedom but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their units. Other participants explore the ratio of Cp to Cv to derive the degrees of freedom and question the need for unit conversion for molar mass calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in finding the degrees of freedom and are discussing the implications of unit conversions for molar mass. There is a mix of confidence and uncertainty regarding the correctness of the approaches taken, particularly in relation to unit consistency.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of using different units for heat capacities and the gas constant, as well as the assumptions about the type of gas being analyzed, which may affect the calculations.

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Hey having a bit of trouble with this one. I really don't know how to start. Think I just simply don't have the right equations or I'm using the wrong units. Hopefully you guys can help me.

Homework Statement



Find the molar mass and the number of degrees of freedom of molecules in a gas with known heat capacities: Cv = 650 J/(KgK) and Cp=910 J/(KgK).

Homework Equations



The equations that I can find in my book that I've been trying to figure out are :

1.Cv = (nRP)/2 where R = Gas constant and P = number of degrees of freedom. n= number of moles

2.Cp = nR(1+P/2)

3.Cp = Cv + R

The Attempt at a Solution



Well when I first started off I simply applied the Cv formula to the value of Cv and solve for P, the number of degrees of freedom. However when I did this, i got an answer of ~156 which I can immediately tell is not correct.

I am led to believe that I'm not using the correct units for Cv and Cp as they don't solve the last equation(3) correctly.
 
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Ok I just found the degrees of freedom.

Cp/Cv=1 + 2/P
7/5=1+2/P
P = 5 degrees of freedom.

Even though I'm still sure I have to change the units to find the Molar mass. I only found the degrees of freedom due to Cp/Cv is a ratio so units did not matter.

I have to somehow change the Cv and Cp units from J/(K*Kg) to J/(K*mol). My reasoning for this is that the gas constant R is J/(K*mol).
 
I think I might be correct here: If anyone can confirm? Turns out I didn't really need to change any units just yet.

Cv = nRp/2
n=31.28moles/kg

Molecular mass = Mass/n = 1kg/31.28moles = 31.96g/mol.

I assume this would be Oxygen molecules.
 
Everything's OK.
 

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