Heat capacity for a real gas using the ideal gas (zero pressure) equation

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of heat capacity for a real gas using the ideal gas equation at zero pressure. Participants explore the relationship between heat capacities, the compressibility factor, and the application of generalized charts for real gases.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the transition from reduced properties to the equation \(Cp - Cp° = 1.70 \, \text{cal/molK}\).
  • Another participant discusses the effect of pressure on molar enthalpy and provides a mathematical expression involving the compressibility factor \(z\) and enthalpy.
  • Some participants question the derivation of the heat capacity equations and the assumptions made regarding the independence of the partial derivative of \(z\) with respect to temperature.
  • There is mention of a previous example that used similar equations, indicating a lack of clarity on how to apply them in the current problem.
  • One participant suggests that a chart from a reference book may be necessary to solve the problem, while another notes the absence of such a chart in the provided materials.
  • Discussions include the need to numerically differentiate the enthalpy departure function and the challenges faced in interpreting charts for reduced temperature and pressure.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation of the equations or the correct approach to solving the problem. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the application of the equations and the necessary charts.

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Some participants note that the assumptions made in the equations may not hold true under certain conditions, particularly regarding the dependence of the compressibility factor on pressure. There is also mention of potential errors in mathematical calculations and the need for specific charts that are not provided in the reference material.

  • #31
Chestermiller said:
If ##y(p_r,T_r)## is the ordinate on the plot, then a 2nd order accurate numerical approximation to the residual heat capacity is $$\frac{C_p^R}{R}=\frac{y(0.1,0.9)-y(0.1,0.7)}{0.9-0.7}$$
i'm confused, the ordinate is
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with enthalpy, H explicitly stated. how have you arrived at this
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? where has the critical temp, Tc term disappeared to?
I've also found this equation in perry's but nothing to convert to cp:
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  • #32
gmaverick2k said:
i'm confused, the ordinate is View attachment 285928with enthalpy, H explicitly stated. how have you arrived at this View attachment 285929? where has the critical temp, Tc term disappeared to?
I've also found this equation in perry's but nothing to convert to cp:
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$$\frac{\partial \left(\frac{H^R}{RT_c}\right)}{\partial T_r}=\frac{\partial \left(\frac{H^R}{RT_c}\right)}{\partial (T/T_c)}=\frac{1}{R}\frac{\partial H^R}{\partial T}=\frac{C_p}{R}$$

Regarding Eqn. 4-168, you differentiate each term separately
 
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Chestermiller said:
$$\frac{\partial \left(\frac{H^R}{RT_c}\right)}{\partial T_r}=\frac{\partial \left(\frac{H^R}{RT_c}\right)}{\partial (T/T_c)}=\frac{1}{R}\frac{\partial H^R}{\partial T}=\frac{C_p}{R}$$

Regarding Eqn. 4-168, you differentiate each term separately
ok, using plot digitizer for points on both graphs..
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Yes, it looks like the author has overestimated the heat capacity by a factor of two assuming this is the correct methodology. I wish authors didn't skip on the working outs. i guess the fun is in the connecting of dots..
Thanks
 

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