Find positive integers x,y,z in 1/x+1/y=7/8(x,y∈N)

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The discussion revolves around finding positive integers \(x\), \(y\), and \(z\) that satisfy equations of the form \(\frac{1}{x} + \frac{1}{y} = \frac{7}{8}\) and \(\frac{1}{x} + \frac{1}{y} + \frac{1}{z} = \frac{6}{24}\), with participants exploring different approaches and hints related to these equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest starting with the assumption \(x \leq y \leq z\) to simplify the search for solutions.
  • Hints are provided for the equations, particularly for the third equation involving \(z\), stating \(\frac{1}{x} + \frac{1}{y} + \frac{1}{z} = \frac{6}{24}\).
  • One participant challenges the correctness of the hint for the third equation, indicating that it does not account for all possible solutions.
  • Another participant provides an example of a solution that the previous method does not capture, specifically \(\frac{6}{24} = \frac{1}{5} + \frac{1}{21} + \frac{1}{420}\).
  • Participants mention that the problem relates to Egyptian fractions, with some expressing interest in theorems that could help find the number of solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the hints provided for finding solutions, with some participants questioning their validity and others suggesting that they may not encompass all possible solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to find all solutions.

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Participants note that the methods discussed may have limitations in capturing all solutions, particularly in relation to the properties of Egyptian fractions.

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$(1)$ $\dfrac{1}{x}+\dfrac{1}{y}=\dfrac{7}{8}(x,y\in N)$
$find$: $x,y$
$(2)$ $\dfrac{1}{x}+\dfrac{1}{y}=\dfrac{6}{12}(x,y\in N)$
$find$: $x,y$
$(3)$ $\dfrac{1}{x}+\dfrac{1}{y}+\dfrac {1}{z}=\dfrac{6}{24}(x,y,z\in N)$
$find$: $x,y,z$
 
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Albert said:
$(1)$ $\dfrac{1}{x}+\dfrac{1}{y}=\dfrac{7}{8}(x,y\in N)$
$find$: $x,y$
$(2)$ $\dfrac{1}{x}+\dfrac{1}{y}=\dfrac{6}{12}(x,y\in N)$
$find$: $x,y$
$(3)$ $\dfrac{1}{x}+\dfrac{1}{y}+\dfrac {1}{z}=\dfrac{6}{24}(x,y,z\in N)$
$find$: $x,y,z$

without loss of generality we can take x <=y <=z as any permutation can give ans

for (1)

$\frac{7}{8} > \frac{1}{x} >= \frac{7}{16}$ or so x = 2 and it does not give y integer so no solution

for (2)

$\dfrac{1}{x}+\dfrac{1}{y}=\dfrac{1}{2}$

or $\dfrac{1}{2} > \dfrac{1}{x} >= \dfrac{1}{4}$ x = 4 or 3 , x=4 gives y =4 and x= 3 gives y = 6 so solution set(4,4), (3,6), (6,3)
 
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kaliprasad said:
without loss of generality we can take x <=y <=z as any permutation can give ans

for (1)

$\frac{7}{8} > \frac{1}{x} >= \frac{7}{16}$ or so x = 2 and it does not give y integer so no solution

for (2)

$\dfrac{1}{x}+\dfrac{1}{y}=\dfrac{1}{2}$

or $\dfrac{1}{2} > \dfrac{1}{x} >= \dfrac{1}{4}$ x = 2 or 3 , x=2 gives y =2 and x= 3 gives y = 6 so solution set(2,2), (3,6), (6,3)
set (x,y)=(2,2) is not a solution ,it should be (x,y)=(4,4)
 
Albert said:
set (x,y)=(2,2) is not a solution ,it should be (x,y)=(4,4)

you are right I have done correction inline . Thanks
 
Albert said:
$(1)$ $\dfrac{1}{x}+\dfrac{1}{y}=\dfrac{7}{8}(x,y\in N)$
$find$: $x,y$
$(2)$ $\dfrac{1}{x}+\dfrac{1}{y}=\dfrac{6}{12}(x,y\in N)$
$find$: $x,y$
$(3)$ $\dfrac{1}{x}+\dfrac{1}{y}+\dfrac {1}{z}=\dfrac{6}{24}(x,y,z\in N)$
$find$: $x,y,z$
hint of (3)$\dfrac{1}{x}+\dfrac{1}{y}+\dfrac {1}{z}=\dfrac{6}{24}$
let :$\dfrac{6}{24}=\dfrac {a+b+c}{24}$
we see $a+b+c=6$
and $24$ is a multiple of $a,b,$ and $c\, (a,b,c\in N)$
with this little trick ,this kind of question becomes so easy
 
Albert said:
hint of (3)$\dfrac{1}{x}+\dfrac{1}{y}+\dfrac {1}{z}=\dfrac{6}{24}$
let :$\dfrac{6}{24}=\dfrac {a+b+c}{24}$
we see $a+b+c=6$
and $24$ is a multiple of $a,b,$ and $c\, (a,b,c\in N)$
with this little trick ,this kind of question becomes so easy

The above hint is not correct because

x= 6, y = 16, z= 48 is solution not provided by above
 
Albert said:
hint of (3)$\dfrac{1}{x}+\dfrac{1}{y}+\dfrac {1}{z}=\dfrac{6}{24}$
let :$\dfrac{6}{24}=\dfrac {a+b+c}{24}$
we see $a+b+c=6$
and $24$ is a multiple of $a,b,$ and $c\, (a,b,c\in N)$
with this little trick ,this kind of question becomes so easy
[sp]But that method does not find all the solutions, for example $\dfrac6{24} = \dfrac15 + \dfrac1{21} + \dfrac1{420}$.[/sp]
 
yes you are right,that is why I express (3) as:
$\dfrac{6}{24} = \dfrac1{x} + \dfrac1{y} + \dfrac1{z}$
if I express (3) as :
$\dfrac{12}{48} = \dfrac1{x} + \dfrac1{y} + \dfrac1{z}$
and using the same method we will get more solutions,up to now I did not see
any theorem mentioning to find the amounts of solutions of this kind ,may be someone can tell me
(if both numerator and denominator are fixed,then the solutions will be fixed,if both
are multiplied by some factor k,then may be we will get more answers)
 
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Albert said:
any theorem mentioning to find the amounts of solutions of this kind ,may be someone can tell me
These are known as Egyptian fractions.
 
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Opalg said:
These are known as Egyptian fractions.
Can we get all the amounts of solutions of this kind ?
Is there any formula to express it ?
 

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