Find q in F = qVe + (Pe - Pa) * Ae with this simple formula

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The discussion revolves around the manipulation of the formula F = qVe + (Pe - Pa) * Ae to isolate the variable q. Participants are examining the steps taken to rearrange the equation and are questioning the correctness of those steps.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their method for isolating q and seeks validation of their approach.
  • Another participant asserts that the initial method is incorrect, specifically pointing out the mismanagement of the term (Pe - Pa) * Ae during the rearrangement.
  • A subsequent reply questions the understanding of the order of operations concerning the term Ae and its relationship with (Pe - Pa).
  • Further clarification is provided about the necessity of moving the entire term (Pe - Pa) * Ae when rearranging the equation, emphasizing that it cannot be treated as separate from its multiplication with Ae.
  • The original poster acknowledges the clarification regarding the multiplication of Ae with (Pe - Pa) and expresses gratitude for the assistance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial method for isolating q, with clear disagreement on the correctness of the steps taken. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the proper manipulation of the equation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the treatment of terms during the rearrangement process, particularly concerning the multiplication and division of terms in the equation.

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I have this formula: F = qVe + (Pe - Pa) * Ae; I want to get q by its self. This what I did to get q by its self.

F = qVe + (Pe - Pa) * Ae

\frac{F - (P_e - P_a)}{(A_e)} = \frac{(V_e * q)(A_e)}{(A_e)}

[( F - (Pe - Pa)) ÷ Ae] ÷ Ve = q

This is how I got q by itself in order to solve for q. I'm not sure if its correct, so please look over it to see if its correct. Thank you for your time.
 
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It's wrong. When you move the (Pe-Pa)Ae term over to the side with F, you lost the Ae and multiplied Veq by Ae instead.
 
Office_Shredder said:
...you lost the Ae and multiplied Veq by Ae instead.

I don't get what you are saying by loosing Ae from (Pe - Pa). I get wat you are saying after the and part of the sentence. Can you change the place of Ae because of order of operations, you will have to multiply first before you can add: + Ae * (Pe - Pa)?
 
I think what you did, correct me if I'm wrong, is subtract (Pe-Pa) from both sides and then divide everything by Ae.

The problem with this is that subtracting from the right hand side doesn't eliminate the (Pe-Pa) because it has an Ae attached to it. What Office_Shredder is saying is you have to move the entire term, Ae(Pe-P), over to the other side:

F=qV_{e}+(P_{e}-P_{a})A_{e}

Subtract (P_{e}-P_{a})A_{e} from both sides:

F-(P_{e}-P_{a})A_{e}=qV_{e}+(P_{e}-P_{a})A_{e}-(P_{e}-P_{a})A_{e}

F-(P_{e}-P_{a})A_{e}=qV_{e}

\frac{F-(P_{e}-P_{a})A_{e}}{V_{e}}=q

To make explicit what you did:

F=qV_{e}+(P_{e}-P_{a})A_{e}

F-(P_{e}-P_{a})=qV_{e}+(P_{e}-P_{a})A_{e}-(P_{e}-P_{a})

And you see the terms don't drop out on the right hand side. Hope this clarifies.
 
Ok, yes it does clarify. Ae is meant to multiply with (Pe - Pa) not to divide F - (Pe - Pa), which is not dividing but multiplying. Thank you for your help.
 

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