Find Real Valued Functions: g(x)^2=Int+(1990)

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The discussion revolves around finding all real-valued continuously differentiable functions \( g \) that satisfy the equation \( (g(x))^2 = \int_{0}^{x} [(g(t))^2 + (g'(t))^2]\,dt + 1990 \) for all \( x \). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of differential equations.

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  • Some participants derive that differentiating both sides leads to the equation \( 2g(x)g'(x) = (g(x))^2 + (g'(x))^2 \), which simplifies to \( (g(x) - g'(x))^2 = 0 \), suggesting \( g'(x) = g(x) \) and thus \( g(x) = ce^x \).
  • One participant claims that substituting \( g(x) = ce^x \) into the original equation results in a false identity, indicating that no function \( g(x) \) can satisfy the original equation.
  • Another participant, however, argues that substituting \( g(x) = ce^x \) leads to a valid conclusion that \( c^2 = 1990 \), suggesting that \( g(x) = \pm \sqrt{1990} e^x \) is indeed a solution.

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Participants express conflicting views regarding the existence of a function \( g(x) \) that satisfies the original equation. While some assert that no such function exists, others propose specific solutions based on their derivations.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of the problem, with participants relying on different interpretations of the derived equations and their implications. There are unresolved aspects regarding the validity of the proposed solutions and the conditions under which they hold.

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Find all real valued continuously differentiable functions $g$ on the real line such that for all $x$,

$\displaystyle (g(x))^2=\int_{0}^{x} [(g(t))^2+(g'(t))^2]\,dt+1990$
 
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anemone said:
Find all real valued continuously differentiable functions $g$ on the real line such that for all $x$,

$\displaystyle (g(x))^2=\int_{0}^{x} [(g(t))^2+(g'(t))^2]\,dt+1990$

$$\displaystyle (g(x))^2=\int_{0}^{x} [(g(t))^2+(g'(t))^2]\,dt+1990 \Rightarrow \left ((g(x))^2 \right )'=\left ( \int_{0}^{x} [(g(t))^2+(g'(t))^2]\,dt+1990 \right )' \Rightarrow \\ 2g(x)g'(x)=(g(x))^2+(g'(x))^2 \Rightarrow (g(x))^2-2g(x)g'(x)+(g'(x))^2=0 \Rightarrow \\ (g(x)-g'(x))^2=0 \Rightarrow g'(x)=g(x) \Rightarrow g(x)=ce^x$$

$\displaystyle (g(x))^2=\int_{0}^{x} [(g(t))^2+(g'(t))^2]\,dt+1990$

for $x=0$ we get:

$\displaystyle (g(0))^2=\int_{0}^{0} [(g(t))^2+(g'(t))^2]\,dt+1990=1990 \Rightarrow g(0)= \pm \sqrt{1990}$$\displaystyle{g(0)=ce^0 \Rightarrow c=\pm \sqrt{1990}}$

Therefore, $$g(x)=\pm \sqrt{1990}e^x$$
 
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anemone said:
Find all real valued continuously differentiable functions $g$ on the real line such that for all $x$,

$\displaystyle (g(x))^2=\int_{0}^{x} [(g(t))^2+(g'(t))^2]\,dt+1990$

[sp]Deriving both terms You obtain...

$\displaystyle 2\ g\ g^{\ '} = g^{2} + g^{\ '\ 2} \implies (g - g^{\ '})^{2} = 0 \implies g^{\ '} = g\ (1)$

... and (1) is an ODE the solution of which is $\displaystyle g(x)= c\ e^{x}$. But inserting that is the original equation You obtain the false identity $\displaystyle c^{2}\ e^{2 x} = c^{2}\ e^{2 x} + 1990$, so that it exists no g(x) satisfying the original equation...[/sp]

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
[sp]Deriving both terms You obtain...

$\displaystyle 2\ g\ g^{\ '} = g^{2} + g^{\ '\ 2} \implies (g - g^{\ '})^{2} = 0 \implies g^{\ '} = g\ (1)$

... and (1) is an ODE the solution of which is $\displaystyle g(x)= c\ e^{x}$. But inserting that is the original equation You obtain the false identity $\displaystyle c^{2}\ e^{2 x} = c^{2}\ e^{2 x} + 1990$, so that it exists no g(x) satisfying the original equation...[/sp]

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

Inserting $g(x)= c\ e^{x}$ in the original equation we get:

$$\displaystyle (g(x))^2=\int_{0}^{x} [(g(t))^2+(g'(t))^2]\,dt+1990 \Rightarrow c^2 e^{2x}=\int_{0}^{x} [c^2e^{2t}+c^2e^{2t}]\,dt+1990 \\ \Rightarrow c^2 e^{2x}=\int_{0}^{x} [2c^2e^{2t}]\,dt+1990 \Rightarrow c^2 e^{2x}=c^2e^{2x}-c^2+1990 \Rightarrow c^2=1990 \Rightarrow c=\pm \sqrt{1990}$$

Therefore, it exists a $g(x)$ satisfying the original equaltion..
 

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