Find tension in angled cables holding steel plate

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the tension in angled cables supporting a steel plate, with specific focus on the geometry involved and the application of static equilibrium principles. Participants are exploring how to resolve the tension into its components given the angles and dimensions provided.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • The weight of the steel plate is calculated to be 23.1 kN based on its volume and density.
  • One participant suggests breaking down the tension into vertical and horizontal components and summing the forces for static equilibrium.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the use of the angle of 94.4 degrees, stating that it does not form a right triangle, which complicates the calculation of components.
  • A formula is proposed involving the cosine of half the angle to relate the vertical component of force to the tension in the cable.
  • A hint is provided to use the given geometry and dimensions to derive additional angles necessary for the calculations, emphasizing the importance of trigonometry in solving the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to approach the problem, with some expressing frustration over the geometry involved and others suggesting methods to resolve the tension components. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific calculations needed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the geometry involved, particularly with the non-right triangle formed by the angles given. There is an emphasis on the need for trigonometric relationships to solve for the tension, but no specific equations or solutions are provided.

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Homework Statement


I found that the steel plate weighs 23.1 kN from using the volume and density of steel. The length of L1=3.2m, L2= 3.9m. The angle on the left, theta, equals 94.4 degrees and alpha equals 54.9 degrees. I am just confused on how to find the tension in the cables. If someone could point me in the right direction. I have to find stress and bearing stress but I can easily do that, the tensions are just confusing to me

Here is a diagram:
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Homework Equations


F=mg


The Attempt at a Solution


I found the weight of the steel plate from the volume and density of steel (in statement). I am sure this is simple, but the 94.4 degrees is what's weird to me since I'm use to dealing with right triangles...
 
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Hi megr. The tension in the cable can be broken down into a vertical and horizontal component. Just sum the forces in the vertical direction and horizontal direction as you would for any static equilibrium problem and you should be able to deduce the tension in the cables.
 
I know that part, but how? the angle on the left is 94.4 degrees and doesn't form a right triangle. I can't just use T_1*cos(94.4) since that won't work. I am so frustrated with the problem and how to find any of the components for just one cable
 
cos(94.4/2) = Fy/T
where Fy = vertical componenet of force
T = Tension in cable.
 
megr_ftw: Hint: Use the given geometry, including the dimensions given on the plate, to figure out beta1 or beta2. In other words, initially, it is a slightly involved geometry problem, but can be figured out using the given geometry and dimensions, using trigonometry. We are not allowed to give you the relevant equations nor work out the trigonometry for you. If you show your work, we could check your math.
 

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